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You know I lived half my childhood in a Chinese house right? Even had an authentic Americanized restaurant. :-D I knew how to say hello and thanks in Chinese before rush hour made it cool. Also rice and mint. Thanks all I needed.

What you talking about Willis? I usually buy the udon that is just a bag of noodles. No flavor packets... I'll use home made beef broth or chicken broth or buy "clear" broth. Good bulk dashi will be good to have on hand. Mirin?

I will get some instant dashi for sure. Then I can use it as an alternative to ramen noodles. I love udon. They have the best mouth feel. I like cold soba too but I'm less confident. I'm super excited to go. I have been going to shuang hur and all the other places in S mpls my whole life. In highschool my best friends mom would have a dream and we would drive her to the markets so she could sell her vegis from her garden. I would be the white laborer carrying the bags of produce from store to store letting her haggle then she would take her money and go to the casino. :-)

Awe...... coastal doesn't have a Friday special. I didn't know they did those 20% off deals. Even on Kobe. Awesome. Bank and DMV next after breakfast.... yuk.

I have never been to united noodle Sean. I think I'm going to swing in today. Anything else I should take a look at?

I know this wasn't directed at me but I'll add my 2 cents. I have experimented with intermittent fasting with good results. My goal, like many others my size, is to lose fat and be of what I would call healthy strength. The initial reasoning for fasting is that I assume I am getting all the extra benefits that Stefan has mentioned, but in a addition for me it make diet adherence easier. If I wake up in the morning and know I'm not going to eat I go on with my day. I drink plenty of water because it is the only thing I can have. When I get to lunch I'm know I'm ready to eat, but it is actually much easier for me to pass by all the fast food joints and hit up the super market to think of something fresh, delicious and with plenty of protein (if I haven't planned already). Because I didn't waste a single minute with breakfast in the morning or snacks I have more time I can devote to lunch. I get to eat to my hearts content on healthy food and feel great (Did I mention that sometimes I have a brunch at this time? BEST meal ever). Afterward I spend the rest of my day not really worrying and I "graze" on a few healthy snacks. At dinner I eat with my girlfriend and repeat the process. When I was attempting an all day eating schedule I felt more need to plan out all the meals. I also felt like all I would do is snack all the time and never feel full no matter how delicious and healthy the "meal" was. Also, when I'm used to eating every three hours I get ravenous hunger pains. On my fasting diet I feel content after my one big meal. I don't get that on an all day schedule. Also, I am not eating extreme amounts of calories. Eating only 8 hours a day makes it easier to stay under my calorie limit, especially if I focus on healthy foods. For me I focus less on the food with the intermittent approach. That alone helps me tremendously. I will address this and maybe put my point to rest. I'm on my cell phone yelling at jiffy lube for having over torqued my oil pan nut. I almost stripped it.

Unfortunately there isn't any great way to measure, besides progression in workouts, or accurate methods of taking body fat measurements. (trying to differentiate what was from fasting vs working out vs diet would be nearly impossible) So it's just something I either take faith in sort of / try a normal eating window for a few months, and see how I feel / progress, but the latter would be so fucking hard to draw a conclusion. Honestly if I felt bad, discomfort, or anything negative then I would flat out stop doing it. I don't have anything to gain in supporting something I don't believe in. I get the last statement about not eating for a long time, and finally eating, and having some emotional response, but really I don't feel much in that department either. I feel more after doing an intense workout, and then eating. But hiking or the alike isn't intense. In any event, good or bad, it's not for everyone. I'm beating on you now because I want a solid statement of why you are doing this and endorse it. Don't say you don't because you diseminated the information and kind of drink the cool aid. What I am asking, and what Sean is being nice about is the fact that you need to have some way of quantifying the benefit of what you are doing without using studies that you haven't measured on your self. I have done the blood work on myself. I have seen other peoples bloodwork posted. Just say what your goal is and how you know this format helps you acheive it. No one can counter an argument that is set up as such. Saying "it's not for everyone, but it's what works best for me" is like saying "well it sounds louder" when it's 2 db down from the guy next to you. Honestly how would you expect me to accurately measure a difference VS standard eating? Should I get a dexa scan once a week for three months, then compare to regular eating for three months? What about differences in calorie and protein intake, how would I account for that. Even if I attempted to do such thing it would be considered "poorly conducted" even to me. Too many variables in which I couldn't account for, waste of time. The only thing quantifiable are my gains in strength, mass, and no visible fat gain. Once again just something anecdotal so take it with a grain of salt. If I could simply shove some meter up my ass, and it could tell me whether fasting was helping or harming my goals of strength, and lean mass, then I would. You still have not answered my original question from pages back and the first question on my post. What is your goal from this method and why do you believe it will work better with a fasting program than a more traditional format? If you could answer that, then it is really easy to start measuring results and finding out what works better. The too many variables argument is tired and old. Yes a CRX will peak differently than an explorer. But not enough to make a funky pup with 150 wants tuned within a nano HZ louder than a pair of 18" icons on 3k in a big box that is within standard deviation of perfect. So again, what is your goal and why do feel your approach is more viable than the more accepted rout? I already listed some benefits, but primarily an increase in protein synthesis, and better adaption to fat burning. My goals are increasing strength and mass while putting on minimal fat. So I'm banking on the increased protein synthesis to help with strength and mass, and that burning more fat for fuel instead of solely carbs can help reduce the fat gain. How I would measure those differences separately from all the other variables that come into play that I have no fucking clue. I'm not using it as an excuse. I simply don't know how the fuck you would differentiate it from everything else that comes into play. Your analogy of comparing what's happening in the body to how loud stereo is isn't very fair. It's easy to throw some db meter in the car, and record the results. It's not a fair analogy but it's accurate in principal. One of our hypothesis is correct. And not by a small margin. I guess I'm not getting my point across. I'm asking why you believe not what you believe. We have established that "hard science supports both claims". And as for the goals unless you have specific ones you are right, its not possible to measure. But if you say I want to make x weight at x body fat we can see which method is faster at results. Then the reason why matters less. I'll drop it because there is no way to measure something when you have no yardstick.

When quite active I can loose weight at 4500kcal. If I'm balls to the walls working out and active I can lose fat and gain muscle at 6000. Its hard for me to eat that much now though.

I'd recommend United Noodle. It's almost in the parking lot of Coastal. Mine consists of Miso & Daishi. Daishi needs Kombu (kelp) and Bonito Flakes (hana katsuo may be on the package) Technique is somewhat tricky as you slowly heat the kombu, if you boil it your fucked, but it takes about 10 minutes to get soft. Once soft, remove it, bring water to a boil, kill the boil (I use a little water) and Bonito and bring to a boil then shut off the heat. 5 minutes later or so I strain. I sort of wait for the bonito to start to settle. Add some miso and bam. A little fish stock goes a long way. Have some shrimp stock that I'll be doing it with tomorrow. Had some gorgeous whole blue prawns so I figured I'd eat them twice Obviously things like green onion, wakame, tofu, and nearly any mushroom are nice additions. Oh, it's worth ordering a duck the day before you go. Do they do juicey and crispy duck?

Unfortunately there isn't any great way to measure, besides progression in workouts, or accurate methods of taking body fat measurements. (trying to differentiate what was from fasting vs working out vs diet would be nearly impossible) So it's just something I either take faith in sort of / try a normal eating window for a few months, and see how I feel / progress, but the latter would be so fucking hard to draw a conclusion. Honestly if I felt bad, discomfort, or anything negative then I would flat out stop doing it. I don't have anything to gain in supporting something I don't believe in. I get the last statement about not eating for a long time, and finally eating, and having some emotional response, but really I don't feel much in that department either. I feel more after doing an intense workout, and then eating. But hiking or the alike isn't intense. In any event, good or bad, it's not for everyone. I'm beating on you now because I want a solid statement of why you are doing this and endorse it. Don't say you don't because you diseminated the information and kind of drink the cool aid. What I am asking, and what Sean is being nice about is the fact that you need to have some way of quantifying the benefit of what you are doing without using studies that you haven't measured on your self. I have done the blood work on myself. I have seen other peoples bloodwork posted. Just say what your goal is and how you know this format helps you acheive it. No one can counter an argument that is set up as such. Saying "it's not for everyone, but it's what works best for me" is like saying "well it sounds louder" when it's 2 db down from the guy next to you. Honestly how would you expect me to accurately measure a difference VS standard eating? Should I get a dexa scan once a week for three months, then compare to regular eating for three months? What about differences in calorie and protein intake, how would I account for that. Even if I attempted to do such thing it would be considered "poorly conducted" even to me. Too many variables in which I couldn't account for, waste of time. The only thing quantifiable are my gains in strength, mass, and no visible fat gain. Once again just something anecdotal so take it with a grain of salt. If I could simply shove some meter up my ass, and it could tell me whether fasting was helping or harming my goals of strength, and lean mass, then I would. You still have not answered my original question from pages back and the first question on my post. What is your goal from this method and why do you believe it will work better with a fasting program than a more traditional format? If you could answer that, then it is really easy to start measuring results and finding out what works better. The too many variables argument is tired and old. Yes a CRX will peak differently than an explorer. But not enough to make a funky pup with 150 wants tuned within a nano HZ louder than a pair of 18" icons on 3k in a big box that is within standard deviation of perfect. So again, what is your goal and why do feel your approach is more viable than the more accepted rout?

Another metaphor would be like someone hopping on here saying that with a 14th order bandpass uber design they can just get a billion DB's without any power and in a small box. The math just doesn't really add up and it smells like stale fish. Now if that guy says I only want to play xyz freq uber load and cannot have a big enclosure because he drives a lotus, then we can work within those constraints to min max. The problem is that so many people try to min max for results before they even have the basics down. Guys at my gym take super spendy vitamins and creatine and eat french fries. Take grey market drugs and of course they get results. But if they just followed a better diet they would flourish.

Call Me jack ass stefan. I'm just trying to help you out. I hope you understand that this isn't an e-peen contest. God knows I'm a much better teacher than role model or example setter.

I literally lol'd It's so sadly true. I spend 8 hours on the phone and 2 trying to change my wifes oil. Jiffy lube way over TQed it and I nearly stripped the bolt. I'm going to kill them tomorrow AM. When I get busy... I eat like shit, unless I boxed meals for the next day. Last night I had an italian sammich. Sean I made my buddy hang his head out the window of the car it was so rank. I have to give those up. Makes me sad. Protein shakes never mess with my guts. I'm lucky. I need your miso soup recipie and more importantly to know where you buy the products. I would have it every day for breakfast with some firm tofu for sure. Maybe some noodles too now that I am back in the gym.

Unfortunately there isn't any great way to measure, besides progression in workouts, or accurate methods of taking body fat measurements. (trying to differentiate what was from fasting vs working out vs diet would be nearly impossible) So it's just something I either take faith in sort of / try a normal eating window for a few months, and see how I feel / progress, but the latter would be so fucking hard to draw a conclusion. Honestly if I felt bad, discomfort, or anything negative then I would flat out stop doing it. I don't have anything to gain in supporting something I don't believe in. I get the last statement about not eating for a long time, and finally eating, and having some emotional response, but really I don't feel much in that department either. I feel more after doing an intense workout, and then eating. But hiking or the alike isn't intense. In any event, good or bad, it's not for everyone. I'm beating on you now because I want a solid statement of why you are doing this and endorse it. Don't say you don't because you diseminated the information and kind of drink the cool aid. What I am asking, and what Sean is being nice about is the fact that you need to have some way of quantifying the benefit of what you are doing without using studies that you haven't measured on your self. I have done the blood work on myself. I have seen other peoples bloodwork posted. Just say what your goal is and how you know this format helps you acheive it. No one can counter an argument that is set up as such. Saying "it's not for everyone, but it's what works best for me" is like saying "well it sounds louder" when it's 2 db down from the guy next to you.

If you fast to cleanse and start fresh it's understandable, if not it's definitely damaging. just curious, whats the general step-by-step process to cleanse? I like to take a few doses of psillyum husk, drop a hurclean dumper every few hours for a day, and just have juices mixed with water so I don't get too sick.

Here is what I was saying. It's practical reasoning for you that this works. It would be really hard to get in many meals all day because of a schedule. Or else you would be prone to eating shit food. Something quick. That makes sense. That is a valid reason. And if you can work that diet then so be it. My whole point from the begining is that is in no way optimal. Not even close. It is a baindaid, or crutch, just like a Keto diet. I never said it was wrong, either, but you did comment that there was a reason it was a better format for scheduling meals, and that simply isn't true. I'm not digging on your lifestyle, Hell I'm fat and had burger king today. I'm a much worse person, I know what I should be doing, I'm just not making all the changes I need to get there. It's much better as I lost 90 some pounds, but I'm not there 100% yet.

What do you feel is the benefit of the fasting technique? increase in GH levels increase in protein synthesis increase in protein-3 levels in muscle increase in lipolysis for fat burning increased insulin sensitivity improved autophagy increase in bdnf levels Just some stuff off the top of my head. I maybe should have asked what results you thought that fasting would provide that following more accepted diet would not. Either way science proves that you can argue either way on any of those points. In all of those as we just talked about, the science can be proven one way or another. Liposis is stopped durring fasting by cortisol. You then turn to muscle as the primary energy source. Especially on someone as lean as you are. GH levels mean are unaffected by protein rich meals, so why not maintain amino acid levels. Also GH pulse is much more increase through exercise. So why not just add in 20 min of cardio and get MUCH MUCH mean GH secretion than the small bleed from fasting. Why do you care about insulin sensitivity when you are on a paleo diet, or fasting. Insulin is the most anabolic "hormone" we have. By a long shot. So why not take advantage of it all day than just for a short period. Once again the fast durring sleep is enough for healthy people to maintain insulin sensitivity.. You know that. protein 3 ( IGF-1 ) is once again produced in massive levels post work out when GH is peaked and you introduce Insulin via sugar intake. Which is why there is all the hoo bub about carbs after a work out. It maximizes the potential. So fasting may cause some bleed but adding a short intense work out will more than double the mean from the slow trickle effect. Autophagy is actually the breaking down of your muscles you know that right? As in counter productive to gaining muscles. Unless it has another definition I am not aware of. As for protein synthesis if you are suggesting that spreading out your protein over a longer period of time and having less time for insulin to do it's thing I think we have a massive dissconect in how you understand nutrient shuttling. Again I could be missing the point, but having more time to digest, and more pulses of nutrieints throughout the day and better insulin management will always be more anti catabolic and thus more efficient and keeping a LBM. The last 2 are as far as I know stone cold proven. The rest is heracy, but through my own blood tests and many of the other guinea pigs out there it would lead to the beleif that the natural cycle of "grazing" or eating many meals... however you want to describe it, is much more optimal for the human condition.

If you fast to cleanse and start fresh it's understandable, if not it's definitely damaging. How is it damaging? Of course fasting is relative to how long you fast for, but lets say 16 hours is "fasting." How is it damaging? Don't tell me some tangent either. Literally unnecessary cortisol.

I have seen something similar before. I love the idea and may one day do it. I will never leave your place if you do.

....I'll assume that this wasn't a slight to me, but it sounds nearly 100% directed to me. When you say put it to the test you mean? I spent 2 years taking my blood after meals to find out insulin response. Adjusting to see what would yield results for my desired goals. Weekly blood tests to measure GH levels for quite some time, then monthly. I had to be checked for what they thought was cancer, so I had them do endocrine and IGF levels. It ended up free for me so why not?What I found to be true with me in blood work was true in real world application. If you don't try the most basic principal of eating many clean meals a day of balanced food then you simply do not know how it works for you. I'm not saying you should be a sheep and do as everyone else does. What I am saying is there isn't a magic bullet. The wizard of oz is just a midget behind a curtain yelling really loud. What works is grinding regular healthy meals and lots of time in the gym. Then tweak from there to best suit your needs. Sean has more fun with his method and eats a wild variety. I find that tough, so I eat 6 boiled chicken breasts a day with vegis and oatmeal or barley.Being married and working more than I have hours in a day has made me lazy. Also depression makes me fall off the horse and struggle. But any problems I have or anyone I have trained with can tell you it's only lack of dedication that makes the results sloppy. I could see where my last statement may have made you thought I was talking about you, but I wasn't. Just saying that just because someone has done the same thing for a long time doesn't always make them an "authority" on the subject to me. I agree with that 100%. The compare/contrast comment is what made me curious as the point to the statement.

What do you feel is the benefit of the fasting technique?

I am going to do a triple monitor set up. I just got 2 new video cards!

if this was the cast of rescue me I would have been much more inclined to watch.

I will make a caveat. Lots of time in the gym means 3-4 hours a week BTW. More doesn't always mean better results when it comes to physique. Now if your training for a sport....then the training goes through the roof. There is almost no ceiling at the higher end. As your then training technique, and technique during various stages of exhaustion.

....I'll assume that this wasn't a slight to me, but it sounds nearly 100% directed to me. When you say put it to the test you mean? I spent 2 years taking my blood after meals to find out insulin response. Adjusting to see what would yield results for my desired goals. Weekly blood tests to measure GH levels for quite some time, then monthly. I had to be checked for what they thought was cancer, so I had them do endocrine and IGF levels. It ended up free for me so why not?What I found to be true with me in blood work was true in real world application. If you don't try the most basic principal of eating many clean meals a day of balanced food then you simply do not know how it works for you. I'm not saying you should be a sheep and do as everyone else does. What I am saying is there isn't a magic bullet. The wizard of oz is just a midget behind a curtain yelling really loud. What works is grinding regular healthy meals and lots of time in the gym. Then tweak from there to best suit your needs. Sean has more fun with his method and eats a wild variety. I find that tough, so I eat 6 boiled chicken breasts a day with vegis and oatmeal or barley.Being married and working more than I have hours in a day has made me lazy. Also depression makes me fall off the horse and struggle. But any problems I have or anyone I have trained with can tell you it's only lack of dedication that makes the results sloppy.