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Something else that might be a little shocking, there is not a lot of info linking carbohydrate, or sugar for that matter to developing diabetes..... The predominant theories are based on the fact they linked sugary drinks to being fat/overweight and then overweight to being a big risk factor. It's similar to the saturated fat is bad for you theory. They kind of just kicked out the data they didn't like because when you are diabetic there is sugar in your blood. Well fat build up in your blood is like sugar build up in your eyes, or other organs. And diabetes itself really isn't a "killer". It's the associated heart disease that is. I didn't know any of this before, but I was shocked even more when the ADA posted a study about how there isn't a significant relationship between sugar intake and the onset of diabetes. In fact in it made a connection between the group with a higher sucrose intake to be weigh less, and be less likely to have diabetes. It's the only large study but that shit cray.

HA! my sleep schedule probably plays a huge part in my problems. I don't sleep regularly at all.

Thank you for the olive branch. I'm not upset about it, just disapointed it got personal for you. I get it, but me being healthy, eating health, living a healthy lifestyle have nothing to do with what I did before, what I know, or who and how I have helped. Oncologists get cancer, and endo's get diabetes. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar. The fact my stress level is through the roof, I worry about more money and lives in a month than many do in a year, and I just got out of a 6 year nightmare probably all have something to do with it. Also the fact 2 years ago I was 120 pounds heavier probably took a toll. Here is the difference though, you are looking to make/achieve a goal and have had some stumbling blocks. I offered you a solution that has worked for everyone I know including myself when I cared about the issue. The other fact is I can lift as much as I want/need. I can still run better than my room mate who is at least 20% lower bf% than me. I also know how, for certain without a doubt, how to change things in my life to achieve any new goals I have. Because I have been there and done it and put through the hard work. You whine about it being hard to eat. It's tough for some guys. Just like some guys find it tough to stop eating. You are more worried about diabetes that won't happen than you are about heart disease that won't happen either. It's just a choice and you said it.

All I was trying to achieve was finding a way to add more kcal into my diet, so that I don't limit my potential gains from my workouts, and using butter seemed like a good idea as I was already getting plenty of protein and carbs. If I didn't have an issue with appetite, I would simply eat more real food, but I can't. So yes I could drink juice or sugar water all day and net the same thing plus have higher insulin levels, but I choose to use fat instead because I don't want elevated insulin levels throughout my entire day. I'm sure I could drink sugar water all day, get more kcal, and probably wouldn't develop diabetes, but I'd rather not fuck with the possibility when I don't have to. I haven't smashed against the paradigm. I take protein and carbs before wo, carbs during wo, and protein+carbs after wo then later eating more carbs protein and fat. The only difference is I'm choosing to eat additional kcal from fat, and not solely carbs--which I don't believe is that out of whack. You've pissed me off so I know I'll regret this later, but if you worked in the industry for twelve years and know so much then why the fuck do you have metabolic syndrome, and diabetes? Perhaps you were just predisposed, and I'm an asshole? Either way, I find it interesting. You realize you never mentioned a fear of diabetes before? Makes sense. We all have fears. I get nervous around heights. Either way, drinking butter, or any other fat, as a way to make up kcal is really against almost every nutritional guideline when discussing sports nutrition. Most people just man up and eat the extra food, or drink it. There are water soluable complex carbs you know. But you made your point, you are afraid of diabetes, so you feel fat > carbs. I can dig that. Thanks for being honest. Hmmmmm, metabolic disorder? I have an immune disorder, been there since I was a child. I also had my soft spot removed shortly after birth, and I am sure that is interesting and has weight to your statement too. My feet are also extremely wide. I have diabetes probably related to that and the fact it runs in my family and my stress level is pretty crazy.... and I have an immune disorder. What I know, what I have done, and what I have taught really doesn't have any bearing on my current status. It's interesting you mention that though. I didn't know how personal you took me asking you to defend your position, I'm honestly am sorry I scuffed your e-pumas.

That's funny, I find it grainy. Not so used to eating my fats in powder form though. Stefan if you want butter powder I can tell you how to make it *gags* ....maltodextrin? It isn't a fat, it's a funky carbohydrate made from the breaking down of starch. In cuisine is it used as a fat? not quite "as" a fat, lol I read more. That is how you get all the powdered fats. Interesting.

You are not being honest with that statement. You are just pissed with me and think I'm a thick headed asshole. You are still passionate about your goals.

Probably a good idea.

You discuss that your main goals are geared towards goals and not what you eat, so why not try what works for 100% of the people who are in the profesional field of sports nutrition and/or body building. Measure our 6 meals of boiled chicken breast or grilled fish, and 6 servings of oatmeal or barley or whatever grain you want, and 6 servings of green vegis. Then get the old people pill organizer and get your vitamins and sups ready for the week. Have a shake in the AM and after work out, and maybe some cottage cheese around bed time if you don't want a fat and protein drink. It took me 20 min in the morning to make 6 full meals for the day. And it worked. And everyone I know it has worked for. I ate that shit cold, I nuked it if I could, I would no kcal sauce if I needed, but that almost never happened. To deviate meant I didn't have a control and I wouldn't know how things worked. Basically it was just lieing to myself. After a few months you would eliminate all your variables. You would find out quickly what works and what doesn't work when you add and subtract something new to that program. For 12 years I have been working in nutrition, training people, or active in the community. Worked on a research study with a supplement company once too. I have a really broad scope and a lot of experience working with this for money or for passion for over a decade. When in highschool I did too, but I don't really count it. So yes if you smash completely against the paradigm it throws up a red flag. I came to you asking you why you choose to do it that way. You could have said because I like butter, so eff off and let me drink butter. But you chose to explain why. I countered argued with the your own facts and you get all bent out of shape about it. Do what you want man, I just have a nature where I point things out.

Jeez you take this personal. My commentary is on the design of your argument, not the size of your dick or if you are right or wrong. Why are you getting pissed? I am exclusively using your argument to show you why it doesn't make sense to me. So..... you don't know how much you take in a day because you don't prepare all your meals. That's the reality. Estimate all you want, you admitted to not even knowing what goes into one of the meals recently. So, your 90% statement is a guess at best. Besides my argument for knowing what you eat is moot. If you go by nutrition labels they are only accurate to within 10% or so averaged over many samples. Even when I weighed out every meal for months I quickly found out that the variables in one sample to the next is huge. Sometimes even in raw food. However, at least with raw food you cook yourself you have much much more control. It all added up to squat however as there are more important variables than razor sharp knowledge of every detail you consume. Heck only one vitamin company holds itself to a batch sampling for accuracy every time it whips up a cocktail. I'm sure others do, but I don't know of where they post it. Hence why I find a broad stroke to be not only more helpful but more practical. When you said you threw up from the butter, I call that you getting sick. I didn't say you developed a disease. I said it's your body telling you something. Onto the argument of your fat issue. I never once said you didn't get enough carbs. Not even made mention of it. Can you point out where I alluded to that? I did say I think you would see better results if you tried carbs instead because of the hormonal benefits, but again it's a non issue because you don't necessarily believe in that What does not make sense is you are willing to drink fat but not carbs. You said you won't drink the carbs, why? It is massively known that drinking carbs especially sugar increases appetite. It is also really well known that high fat foods are more filling. Are you contesting those facts? My argument was why fat and not carbs. Especially in the case of you trying to get all of it in one swoop. You argue you can't eat or drink 300 grams of carbs in sitting after you eat food. You proved to yourself that they equal amount of kcal in fat couldn't be consumed in the same sitting either. So you spread it out throughout the day, good idea, but you still didn't once answer why you would choose to eat the fat rather than the carbs. When you drank a gallon of whole milk sure as shit it had a lot of fat but is also has 192g carbs and 128g protein. And by my research those 2 things helped you a shit load more than the fat in your effort to gain weight. Especially when the limit of carb intake over x amount of time is so much higher than the limit of fat intake over x amount of time. Lastly, fat takes more energy to digest than carbohydrates, so the 9kcal is not a net of 9kcal. So the direct kcal comparison is dubious at best.

Corisol is a bitch because it raises/effects the body almost logarithmicly or more when the body or mind is stressed past its endorphin and anabilic hormone release stages. Usually for the working out scenario a dose of sugar after a work out will stop it.

Julian there was a study where they had a timeline that showed while working out cortisol and GH begin to rise durring a work out. After about one hours time gh production slows/stops and cortisol begins to rise much much faster. This is GREATLY affected if you ate carbs or fat before a work out. GH doesn't get secreted if there are those nutrients in floating around for the most part and cortisol is similar but not stopped to such a large degree. Hiting your sugar/proien drink before your jog home might help a ton.

Wife is out for the night. I want to go to a restaurant she wouldn't be excited about but I hate going alone and all my friends suck. And by suck I mean have children or lives. LoL.

almost all animals are yummy. I want some animal now.

do them birds taste good?

Hmmmmmm. looked up tapiaoca maltodextrin and it might have some other properties but it looks to be the same starchy powder but with some other interesting benefits.

That's funny, I find it grainy. Not so used to eating my fats in powder form though. Stefan if you want butter powder I can tell you how to make it *gags* ....maltodextrin? It isn't a fat, it's a funky carbohydrate made from the breaking down of starch. In cuisine is it used as a fat?

I like you a lot. No homo. Because you have spark and are honest and want to help others. But I am going to break your shit apart here in no kind manner. Hope you know it's because I want you to do better for you. Debating with assholes like me will make you a better person. I am convinced of it. You didn't read what I wrote at all, or you are taking it more out of context than NBC quoting a Tea party member. You are trying to add callories through fat to gain weight. You have a problem with eating as much fat as you want to get there. So you are going to slowly acclimate your body to SOMETHING IT TOLD YOU NOT TO DO. Replace the butter or fat you want to eat with dense carbs and I bet you grow like a sprout. And you won't ever get sick from it. Unless you have a reason to have a fear of diabetes. In general, nothing wrong with that. But with you stated goal of trying to gain muscle..... you could instead skip the fat, eat some noodles and oats, and even, dare I say it, sugar. You would have a BETTER insulin response, and not have to acclimate your body so you could start today and not tomorrow working on getting to your dream. A while back you said that people just stick to medical info because it has been repeated.... well listen to yourself. "eating butter didn't work, so I will just eat less until I can eat more. And yes I recognize that insulin would help with growth but I already eat a few non nondescript carbs so I am cool." What's worse is you don't even know how many kcal you take in a day. Your mom cooks for you and you eat what she makes. There is no way unless you weighed the ingredients that you know. And even then there is a 10% difference in total kcal from one chicken breast of the same mass to the next in some cases. Some MUCH more because of water content. So really you are not using any science behind your diet as you don't have a standard. You don't have an argument for what you are doing as you GOT SICK FROM DOING IT, or at least I missed why this method sounds better to you than eating or drinking a fuck load of carbs. Finally to put this to rest, I have NO problem with your philosophy. None. Not a bit. I even think the whole getting used to a fuck load of fat thing is interesting and worth investigation. What I don't like is this. In addition to you not having a control, using no scientific method, and you not using mass to measure things, your arguments are circular in an extreme manor. I don't understand why because you are so fucking smart. **** Facts I am thinking we agree on. Fat is fine and a dense source of kcal. But it made you sick and you probably spent more kcal heaving than you did on your last wind sprints. Insulin is the strongest anabolic hormone we are currently aware of. You want to gain muscle. When you work out your glycogen is depleated at the time of workout, but continues to drain for hours and hours. Maybe days. We even talked about how the meals the day after intense muscle breakdown may be more important than the immediate post work out refill. Carbs refill glycogen faster, and fats have a hard time doing this because of the problems they have to go through during liposis. Carbs produce a more controllable(I will omit preferable because I know that you have some hang up on the whole issue) insulin response. Carbs can be digested and taken into the blood stream in a greater quantity than fats or proteins over a given length of time. Carbs have more fiber than the fats you are talking about and will speed digestion allowing for more food intake sooner. A fuckload of carbs is a fuckload cheeper than a fuckload of fat and WAY easier to drink in many many many forms. Honestly this isn't a "health" goal but an athletic or aesthetic goal. *** Now being stronger and heartier and thicker bones aside is a health benefit, but the real immediate goal isn't that is it? I want to have an real debate with you, and I feel either you are holding back information or you are holding yourself back from the goal because you have something to prove. So tell me, honestly, why would you choose this method? I don't care if you use logos, pathos, or ethos for you argument. Even if it is to prove a point, own up to it. I cannot find your logic here when I drill down, or when I look at it from a really wide angle. On the surface, you got sick from it and no one else in the industry finds this method to work effectively. I don't think you want to look like those indian wrestlers right? A bit more lean correct? lol. I don't see any culture using this effectively for an athletic purpose so I to me if not even one group along the millions of cultures uses this to get to the goal you want from a broad stroke it doesn't fit. When we drill down, we don't have a control, we don't have data supporting(or defeating it per say), we don't have established goals, we don't have methodical data that you have taken, it made you sick, it appears more difficult than quaffing a bucket of juice, and it is relatively expencive. So from a cost vs reward vs risk, I am adding it up to be a no go. Once again, I'm all for "I DO WHAT I WANT!". However if you want to defend you doing what you want, I require a solid argument. It's in my nature to be critical, I want to see you do better for yourself. And that has NOTHING to do with agreeing with me. Just that if you state a goal, and I see a flaw, I'm going to call it out so you can get to your goal faster. Especially in an area where I have such a huge load of data and experience on and can provide you with help. And when you defend what I call you out on I'm going to break it down and make sure your argument makes sense.

Made a christmas candy by the same name one year!

Let me lay everything out so less speculation can be made. eat something light in morning. few hours later I drink 1L water + 30g whey + 30g dextrose ten minutes later I start my workout, and for the next 1.5hours I drink 1L water + sodium + 60g dextrose After workout I drink another 1L water + 60g dextrose + 30g whey + sodium shower For the next hour I eat carbs + protein After an hour or so I start drinking whole milk which lasts for the rest of the day, and eat other shit. Currently I'm getting in approx 3300kcal, and for the last three months it has netted higher strength, but likely still limited due to less muscle mass grown (no substantial weight change, and bf% doesn't seem any different to the eye). In the past when I could drink an entire gallon of whole milk daily without lactose issues I was getting around 4000kcal, and after a month or so the gains were noticeable. So at this point it's simply more kcal I need. I recognize the use of carbs for refilling muscle glycogen stores, and anabolic response from high insulin levels, but it's not my plan to eat a shit-load of "sugar" to get the rest of the kcal I need. I could also argue all day long that I don't believe there is anything wrong about eating that much butter in terms of cardiovascular health, but I feel it would be wasted energy so I'll simply shrug it off. I don't give a shit about "all natural," I just eat what I feel is healthy, and that happens to include butter. Also fwiw I tested my RMR with an o2->co2 meter: 1600kcal. What is a sodium shower? I also don't believe butter will do anything to your heart either. I do however believe that olive oil and other omega rich fats have value MUCH MUCH greater value to brain, heart, and many other organs over saturated fat. Not related to cholesterol at all, but how they interact both with your organs. I add sodium to my drinks. Take shower, then eat. OOOOOOH ROFL. I have never thought about adding sodium to my food. I eat a SHIT LOAD of sodium though. Like crazy alot compared to most I would bet. I grew up in Asian kitchens. More MSG for me please! NOMNOMNOM I never salt my food at the table though and most people don't find what I eat "salty" in flavor.

What's the argument? I have some Tapioca Maltodextrin here. Let's you make fun powders which fuck with people when you serve them /> In the sports nutrition world maltodextrin is always jumping from being a sugar to being a complex carb. Chemically it is complex but at times it causes a fast increase in insulin and quick intrance into the blood stream. This makes it act like a simple carb aka sugar. To me its a nouveau cuisine I am going to confuse your taste bud magic powder. Didn't realize it even had calories or significance. I'm dubious since I don't know how to grow it. Nothing sinister about it at all. In the sports nutrition and medical nutrition comunity it is a neat substance because, though sweet, it isn't NEARLY as sweet as many sugars. So you can pack in a bajillion grams of it into food(mostly powder intended for drinking) and just have a pleasantly sweet flavor. Anecdotaly it also helps to smooth out the graininess of a lot of the whey products, and helps to stop clumping as it dissolves like a CHAMP. It is also dirt cheep.

What? go to a chicken farm Or an old school hog farm. Jesus fucking christ. hog > chicken in most cases, but yes, it used to be waaaaaay worse.

What? go to a chicken farm I've seen the same with cattle and pork. Free range chicken is an option, and the ones I have used, do indeed taste different. That could all be mental though. The definition of free range is a missnomer. It means they have X amount of time they are made to be outside per day/week. They can still keep them in a cage and packed in REAL tight. Like 15-20 chickens to a 4'x4' box or so. And IIRC it only means one hour a day. My wife is taking a class on this now. I never beleived free range was much of anything, but now I know. Some local "chicken friendly" farms here just god smashed on by the feds for the 3-4th time for cruelty to the chickens. Burning beaks off etc. They however managed to skirt the rules and still call it free range. and for the record, if someone is calling cruelty to chickens.... it has to be some real deranged chicken fucking, torture type shit.

NOXplode. I love the stuff That stuff Is fucking gross, it made me feel like I was on cocaine. I would rather go to the gym tired. It made me jittery, nervous, and it made me feel like shit after working out. It is a SHIT load of stims. Half your dose and gangster up! Shit will make you a god I think. lol

What? Nasty birds. Maybe you can get some healthier ones where you are, but here it is the shittiest food. We eat a decent amount here in my house unfortunately.

Sean will like this.... They have actually done some research and found that overcooking any food can cause it to have a poor effect on your system. The down side is that would include grill marks on a steak or fish, or that awesome black on the neo pizza. The difference is with trans fat as an ingredient the entire mass of the fat that you consume is a fucked up substance instead of just a smaller than 1% amount of the other foods. Hence the argument if, you are going to fry something USE ANIMAL FAT WITH A HIGH SMOKING POINT.