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kreb not kerb.

lol!

The fact is just that if you want to be the most efficient, frequent small meals are the most important. Then making sure they are from whole foods centered around protein and vegetables. Adjusting that method short term for a short term goal is common in every sport. From body building to biking, to anything else. But on a day to day basis, your body will function best for athletic needs with many small meals a day. IF works because it's convenient for people with low will power to stop making food the focus of your day. That is the magic trick. It also influences you to make better food choices naturally, and limits your caloric intake just by sheer time factors. I have no doubt it made you feel better in many ways Mike, but I doubt it was the actual fasting. More likely it's the fact you made a goal and achieved it. You are also seeing results. If you started taking a new placebo, and you started seeing results you would feel like a winner too. It wouldn't matter if the pill was making a change or not. You perceived change and are happy because of it. Secondly, you are eating less shit and more real food. That alone should make you feel better. I'm not saying there isn't also some benefit to fasting. It just isn't the fastest way to get to your goal. That doesn't mean it doesn't work for you, and your needs. That also doesn't mean that the deprivation and caloric restriction doesn't tell your brain to kick in some endorphins to cope, thus making you feel good. If you crack your knuckles or see a chiropractor you get endorphins too. It doesn't necessarily mean it's the best answer to your problem. If you really want to see some amazing fat loss drink only protein shakes every couple hours with a little healthy fat for a couple days. You will loose a pants size in short order. Get that keytone kerb cycle working in your favor and you will be washing the ladies panties on your rippling muscles. Atkins proved you can eat like shit and lose weight. You could eat bacon for every meal and drop some fat. You will just probably feel like crap. But the mirror will be treating you well. The all protein plan doesn't work eternally though. It also will hinder your performance if you care about more than what you look like in the mirror. All I am trying to say is that if you want the best possible "diet" for athletic needs are, look around at what exists in culture first and then science.

Pretty common method.

A few studies have shown that training while in a fasted state rather than a fed state increases both glycogen storage and VO2Max. I don't doubt it, that is kind of what I was saying earlier about body being ready to absorb more. It is all a moot point though. After several hours of a meal your body goes into a catabolic state. Choosing to use muscle stores for fuel and sending out a whole host of hormones that are beneficial towards protecting your body, not burning fat or building muscle.

^----what he said for sure.

I won't hide the fact I think the fasting thingy is complete and total BS though.

I don't know what you are asking here... or stating. The flat out fact is after a few hours your body releases cortisol. That is starvation mode to most athletes. As for long term food deprivation, I have no clue what it does in vivo. I doubt we have a strong idea as a peoples. People who are starving regularly have docs around to do exams. It does some fucked up things to help us survive. We are an amazing machine. Anecdotally, it makes some people feel refreshed afer long fasting. It gets pitched as making your body be ready for more nutrients becausenit has been without.

So wheres your checkbook. ...familiar looking post at the bottom of that thread...

I would bite that thing like an big yummy apple.

I wish her ass was running a kissing booth.

It is .60 from the nespresso sigbt.

Little black unit, shape of a parabola.

Oh? Do tell.

Partially, but 30g protein from meat is not that much--certainly less than an average steak don't you think?Probably, I was shooting from the hip and didn't quite express what I meant. I am fairly sure that large animal meat would be processed and eaten slowly all day as they preserved the rest. So a constant feeding of 15-20 grams of protein per hour was probably consumed. I really doubt that they ate bigger meals other than at a feast, or maybe after small game kills. Like a rabbit for bird. Then someone might eat a large meal because they couldn't eat it raw as easily, and it didn't preserve as well. Similar to your IF diet, some gurus talk about gorging as a positive role in health. Once weak eating like crazy, and then going back to a strict diet ever 3 hours. They feel there is truth to it because of the feasting and cultural weekly food worship we used to do.

It's within the realm of reason for sure. Again depends on the source and your stomachs ability to digest.

That is kind of miss guided Stefan. They would kill an animal and feas on frezh food all day and preserve the rest. That was when we statted killing big animals. Before that we rarely killed big animals as the work wasn't worth how much we would waste.

That too.

wtf? I thought there were background checksGunshow loopholes.

I trained my body to be that way, then it all went to hell. It's about activity level, adapting to needs, and being active.Our amounts of food were different though. I was in the 3500-7000 kcal level for 4-5 years. I burned off more than I ate though. I was losing pound after pound throughout the whole time. Sometimes i was gaining so much muscle it didnt make the scale move much thougb. I only weigh ~142, but this exact time last year I was 125! Holy shit! I haven't seen 142 since I was about 13. Even when I had cancer and lost all kinds of weight I only got down to ~160.Eating throughout the day actually boosts metabolism. Perhaps you should try 2-3 large meals a day to slow down your metabolism. Eating six small meals throughout the day, or 3 big meals will yield different metabolic rates throughout the day, but at the end of the day it's exactly the same. The thing that changes is the Thermic Effect of Food, which is the energy expended to digest and absorb the food. It's directly proportional to the amount of energy the food contains, 5-10% carb, 0-5% fat, 20-30% protein. Average those numbers together into 11.5%meal one 1000kcal, TEF: 115kcal meal two 1000kcal, TEF: 115kcal meal three 2000kcal, TEF: 230kcal 4000kcal, total TEF: 460kcal meal one 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal two 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal three 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal four 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal five 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal six 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal seven 400kcal, TEF: 46kcal 4000kcal, total TEF: 460kcal At the end of the day the same amount of energy was used, and the metabolism is the same. Now if one changed the composition of those meals than they could alter their metabolism somewhat, but that's getting into something else. At least that's what I learned in Bio. :shrugs: Interesting. The other factor in larger meals is the fact we cannot digest massive amounts of protein all in one setting. Same with fat. It just goes through the tube.Any idea on how much protein? I've heard people say 30g, but I don't believe that.Yeah actually. .. and it is highly dependant on insulin/igf/GH levels. After a work out I bet with some fast sugars you could put back 50-60 grams on the high end. Maybe more maybe less. As for average meals, if your metabolism and enzyme levels are good and high I would bet 40.

Why would you drink them then? Taste? Meal replacement?

I trained my body to be that way, then it all went to hell. It's about activity level, adapting to needs, and being active.Our amounts of food were different though. I was in the 3500-7000 kcal level for 4-5 years. I burned off more than I ate though. I was losing pound after pound throughout the whole time. Sometimes i was gaining so much muscle it didnt make the scale move much thougb. I only weigh ~142, but this exact time last year I was 125! Holy shit! I haven't seen 142 since I was about 13. Even when I had cancer and lost all kinds of weight I only got down to ~160. Eating throughout the day actually boosts metabolism. Perhaps you should try 2-3 large meals a day to slow down your metabolism. Eating six small meals throughout the day, or 3 big meals will yield different metabolic rates throughout the day, but at the end of the day it's exactly the same. The thing that changes is the Thermic Effect of Food, which is the energy expended to digest and absorb the food. It's directly proportional to the amount of energy the food contains, 5-10% carb, 0-5% fat, 20-30% protein. Average those numbers together into 11.5%meal one 1000kcal, TEF: 115kcal meal two 1000kcal, TEF: 115kcal meal three 2000kcal, TEF: 230kcal 4000kcal, total TEF: 460kcal meal one 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal two 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal three 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal four 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal five 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal six 600kcal, TEF: 69kcal meal seven 400kcal, TEF: 46kcal 4000kcal, total TEF: 460kcal At the end of the day the same amount of energy was used, and the metabolism is the same. Now if one changed the composition of those meals than they could alter their metabolism somewhat, but that's getting into something else. At least that's what I learned in Bio. :shrugs: Interesting. The other factor in larger meals is the fact we cannot digest massive amounts of protein all in one setting. Same with fat. It just goes through the tube.

I cannot eat really intense capsaicin based heat. Horseradish families I am good with, and a fair level of mustard heat too. Peppers can burn their way out though, if I am not careful. I don't think I have ever had a super peppered up curry though. I actually like the "creamier" curry sauces more. I feel I pick up more flavor and subtlety.

That shake was fantastic. 3 a day. When cutting, half a banana. When helping a hard gainer. 2 bananas and exra Udo's

Speaking of fringe dieting, have any of you ever tried flushing yourself with fiber? Just pound psyllium husk and water? Supposed to keep you regular. I remember one weekend I was a bit backed up, took this "all natural" colon cleanse stuff. It said take 1-2 tablespoons for a 170 pound male. I was not doing good and thought a bit extra would be ok since I was 6'2 260 and healthy. Fast forward a few hours, I couldn't leave the fucking room next to the bathroom. I was pulling life essences from my organs just to facilitate the needs of my colon. I read the label to see if there is something to slow down the process. I noticed then that the dose was 2 teaspoons. I was working retail but randomly had a weekend off, and the whole time off was wasted. Just got better in time for work on monday.