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Either way, the 261 is dope as is the 362 and they both have no computer options. Better RPMs and more power in a better package IMO, than dolmar. At least from what I can find on forestry websites. It does look like the echo has more power in the few videos I've seen but the few videos that compare the 2 really seem to be on the echo dole. They seem like great saws but forgiving switches that stick out doesnt seem like something that could live up to your lifetime saw needs.

Ok.... I did some digging. Not all stihl have the m tronic. So put them back on the list. If the saw has the suffex m-c, it's got a computer. No M-C no moronic.

I'm so not worried. I find the new saws to have less problems than the old ones without the computer, but when the computer craps out it really craps out. I wish I knew more about making them run, but it's not on my plate for a while. I may have gone with a dolmar if I had known they didnt have any chips in them. Dolmar seems like a great option though. I swear I saw that one of the echo saws did have some kind of management, and another didn't. I assumed it was like stihl and the pro saws have management and the farm saws don't. I cant find that again now so I think I might have seen it incorrectly.

Interesting stuff. I thought this had to do with engine management. https://www.makita.co.nz/technology/MPI.lsd

All saws in the "professional " category now have some kind of system honestly. The "cheep" homestead and farm units usually don't. I think you're too worried about the technology, but you know much more about it than I do. They are getting more power out of less fuel and longer run times. You know how to take care of your tools much better than most so maybe others only get better performance because they dont understand small engines like you do.

The only stihl without that tech is the 461. Maybe the really small ones are different, but I dont think so. The echo in that size also has engine management.

Everyone sees them differently.

I'm so picky. I'm afraid it wouldn't be perfect.

I have never had the right design/plan or the courage to get something permanent on my skin.

Love a throat that can handle some girth!

The 550xp looks amazing actually. Revving super fast. I only looked at the bigest saws when I purchased and at that time the forums and comment sections painted the husqvarna saws as having poor implementation of the new "computer controlled" carbs. It was an easy choice then as I know more guys who like stihl and use them daily for government and private sector work. Maybe the most telling was that the stihl saws took government employee treatment and kept running. If I wanted the saw to breath some fire, I'll send it to a shop for tuning. Also bugs saws need big oil. Especially when I intended to run the 661 on an Alaskan mill at some point. The 661 seemed better at spitting oil than the others, without jumping to the 880 big swinging dick. I would have paid for it, but >22 pounds.... the >16 pounder is already hard on the gunshow for bucking. The 880 would only be a milling saw and penis compensation for me I'm sure. If I need that big of a saw to fell the tree it's too big for me to do and I need to call a professional.

I dont know what any of that is. The saws just run. When I made my purchase I ended up with stihl because the few arborist forums I went to had more to say about the husqvarna not working due to the new technology. You're right about one thing, the cheeper saws seem to be dominated by echo. They are getting more power per dollar and have good construction. I just cant get over the lever and knob thing. Why would you make a design with things that stick out like that? Maybe in practice it doesnt matter.

I didn't notice the sarcasm when Sean said he was looking at the 661. I thought for sure he was being serious. I just figured you might use it on the farm or something. It's funny because I would have used an ax for the pines I cut so far and loaned a small saw to buck it, but I was sure I was going to cut down this 3' wide hardwood tree in my yard. I was probably going to hire out for dropping it and then harvest the wood and use an Alaskan mill. That's why I thought the 661 was worth the investment. Well, after I cleared the other little ones the disease on the tree seemed to go away and it's looking healthier all the time. So now I have an M6 when all i needed was a moped. And a free arm workout any time I want to cut back the weeds.

That echo timberwolf saw seems was powerful for its size. Like way more than it should be. That's very promising if you dont mind the choke and switch thing.

I only recommend against Husq because of the auto tune problems. They have had worse luck implementing that technology than Stihl. Echo seems to make the most power at that size of saw but the knobs and shit sticking out make it an instant nogo for me. I'm being a complete snob. They are probably perfectly robust but I see that stuff as something made to break. You are smart to think much lighter. I use my big saw for limbing and bucking because I didnt want 2 saws. It means i have to take a break constantly and i get tired fast. A 10 pound saw i could swing for 45 min. The 16 pounder I use for 10-20 then walk away for water.

They all have an auto tune feature. Have to buy a vintage saw to escape the computers. No echo

They dont drop in price. Especially if you have a good dealer. Echo is made to break and has some terrible design flaws. Husq or stihl. I thought you wanted something big, my bad. You really did just want it for nipping off firewood.

MS 461. Almost all the rest have electric management.

If coat matters , I cant say shit on that, but the Sthil is lighter for more power. Weight to power and not being too heavy for the tasks you are doing is key. The 661 is a porker.

You want the 441 or up. You will be sad with a smaller saw I think. Only because of your love of overkill. I would also assume that the oil spitters are better than the smaller "climbing/limbing" saws. You could get away with. Farm boss no problem. That just doesnt jive with your life theme. I cannot stress enough the advantage of a longer bar, and running a 25" on a smaller power head is going to bog it down too much if you want to cut anything not soft pine.

Unless Husq has come a long way their engine management electronics have not been as robust as Stihl. I doubt it's significantly worse but enough that I'm not going down that path. Whenever I watch a video of the stihl vs the husq I keep wanting the German. I'm loyal AF to Stihl after using them for the state, city, and my friends dad working with prisoners.

I was just being a big baby last night. Last week was really bad for pain and I decided I should tie one on. It was good.

Ha. I drink when my arthritis flares up. I'm one of the lucky ones where it helps the pain. My pain meds back me up so bad I have had to completely stop unless I'm in so much pain I can barely move. I don't drink all that much anymore so the booze affects me. Nice having a low tolerance because it takes so much fucking ethanol to get my levels up it's not a good value.

Ungh. Drunnk. Kinda. Bones hurt.