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I would like to try out some of the new Soundstream Reference amps. That is now at the top of my trade wants. Specifically the Ref4.920 and the Ref1.1000. If that happens, I will be replacing my current system which consists of (2) Sundown sax 125.2 and an Orion HCCAd2400. I don't have pics of the sundowns right now, but they can be made if needed. They are at least 9/10 cos and 10/10 functionally.

Epicenter pending on another forum

Orion amp is 3rd gen, not 2nd gen. All prices are very OBO, and trades will be considered. You would be surprised what I would accept!

Just sent Pm to Tirefryr. Just in case, and for anyone else who wants better pics of the orion, here is my PB link: http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii95/generalkorrd/Audio%20stuff/

an old one that is actually lower res than my phone

These were taken with my droid. The best I can do is take some close ups of the amp alone, will that do?

Tired of the complications it ends up costing me more in the long run than if I did it right the first time lolol. These are the famous words that a lot, if not most people learn the hard way after thier first system lol.

No problem partner, good luck. Just as an FYI, if you get an alty that will be able to handle 5kw+(I'ma guess 300 amp here) be prepared to: 1) lose some fuel mileage. It makes the engine work much harder, the more you load that alt, the harder it will be to turn. 2) You'll have to buy a much better serpentine belt. The stocker will squeal like a pig. Listen to the recommendation from whoever supplies your alty. Some will try to sell you one, to make it easy, just buy that one. If not, or if you want to save money, shop at the autoparts stores for a good one. I think that there is one called a Gatorback by Goodyear maybe? I've always liked that one. Unless you absolutely know for a fact that you will be putting a 5kw+ system in that saturn, I wouldn't spend money on the largest alt possible. Get one that will support what you know for a fact that you can afford within say the next 2 years. It takes a lot more than a HO alt and some amps to properly build and support a 5 kw system. There will be a lot of money to spend on things you never thought of. If you think you have money issues now, wait till you have to build a 5+kw system, especially in a small car like that.

Also, try grounding to your rear seatbelt bolt next time. I have found that to work very well whenever I did it. Seems to work much better than a frame ground on those unibody cars, don't ask me why. Eliminated many an engine noise issue by doing that.

If you battery keeps swelling, there is a problem with your starting/charging system or you happened to get two bad ones in a row. Fact of the matter is that you just dont have a large enough amplifier to cause these issues. Generally, the newer the car, the larger the stock alt is. This is due to more and more electronics in the newer cars. If your old Olds(always enjoy saying that) had a 120 amp in it, that is not stock, unless it is some kind of upgraded alt. Maybe it had all the electronic bells and whisltes, I just don't know. I don't have any of my grounds soldered either, self tapping bolts with heavy commercial oring crimp terms. If your alt is only putting out 50-70 amps, then that could be the cause of your problems, at least all the underhood ones. There is no way that the stock alt will be that small though, simply due to the fact that your accesories pull more than that, and that doesnt take your fuel injection and engine management into account. A drop to 12.4, while that seems to be a lot, really isn't. That's barely into the batt by itself. Try dropping to <11 volts, that is what kills amps and fries wires. Maybe you have a bad alt? More aften than not, when your batt goes bad, it takes your alt with it, and vice versa. Look at this as an opportunity to get a better alternator. You don't need a huge one, Probably 130-150 amp wil be just fine.

After looking at FI's website, it appears that they use push terminals on the SSD line. Push terminals are way too large to melt unless there is a serious problem with the amp. Those terminals can easily handle 2+kw. If I'm not mistaken they are the same on every sub up the line, and some of those are getting 3+kw daily.

A few things for you. 1) Your batt isn't swelling because of your amp. It's because it is old. 2) Your wiring is messed up because of a bad grounding job. When your grounds are not perfectly solid, your wires will get very hot due to microarcing at the point of the bad connections. 3) Unless your alternator only puts out around 50-70 amps total, then voltage drop is not your issue. These low output alts are only found in much older vehicles, before electronic fuel injection. Think early 80's and older. 4) You do not need 8 guage on your sub. I have personally run 10 guage speaker wire on a 6KW system, and never had issues. Your zx1000.1 is just not enough amp to cause your issues except for maybe the speaker terminal itself. All the other problems you have are due to poor maintenance and poor install. I have a 1200watt rms Orion, and two Sundown 125.2's each bridged at 4 ohms all running off my stock electrical and only 2 of the big 3 are done, and I don't have any of the problems you have, and I draw WAY more current than you do. I only have a 130 amp stock alt in my truck, which, at most is only 20 amps more than what most any other car has. One possible reason that your speaker terms are melting is because your poor wiring/ install is causing the amp to draw less voltage than it normally would. The amp knows this and has to make up for it somehow, so it draws more current, possibly passing this through to your sub. Another scenario is that the speakerterms are undersized from the factory. I have never seen the SSD terms, so I can't speak to that. I have owned FI product before, it was very high quality, so I wouldn't think that they would forget that small step. Replace your battery ASAP, that's the first step. Then reground everything. If you don't know how, find someone that does.

It's sad to see you go, I have never had the pleasure of using any of your gear, although I was close on a few occasions but something always came up. I can only hope that whatever you decide to do next, you take on with the same passion as I have seen you show for Soundsplinter, and your customers. In parting, may I just say that I hope that Thilo gets the worst case of scrotum acne possible, and is allergic to all remedies for it. Shame on him for causing a good company like Soundplinter to fold.

Looks good so far, although I would get that passive xover off the door, I had some on the door, and the repeated opening/closing of the door caused parts to break off the boards. Mine were very high quality--Diamond d971, so it wasnt build quality that did it.

I will need the power handling, as it will be a daily system as well. Just waiting on the announcement for the ns v2 !

Will the fs on the new ns be higher, lower or the same as this example? Also, which way would you go Jacob if you wanted to buidla 49.9 bassracer, with 2 z 18 as above, or 2 new ns 18? Probably 4-6 k power total

Word to the big bird

Or even 10 more beyond that. It really is the components on the board(s) that make most of the difference

The owner of RD is a complete fucktard. No other way to say it, sorry to cuss, but he deserves that. Scamming, lying, cheating etc etc etc. There are many threads about rd audio esp on ca.com, just look in the thunderdome, there is even a sticky one lol Ok I just read 10 pages out of 59!!! 59 pages of RD slammin...wow ok well that settles that then. Told ya . Here is an example on Jacobs awesomeness, This is my story, not something I heard. I had a pair of 100.2 running dual mono to my mids. 1 went blooey, dont know why. these amps were 2 years old BTW, when this happened. So, I sent it in, Jacob sends me a brand new 125.2. I thought " awesome". Bummer was, I had a unmatched pair of amps running my mids. For 20 bucks shipping Jacob replaces my other 100.2 so I could have a pair of 125.2. WHO ELSE WOULD DO THAT?!?!?!? NOBODY. /nuthugg off lol

From what I understand, yes he builds them to order. Rob clay: That is what I have been saying. Thanks for clearing that up

From what I understand, Jacob chooses the cosmetics of the amp( from a range of choices), he also chooses the parts quality, and that is where the money is. From what I have heard, only sundown and IA choose the highest quality parts in the Zenon amps. Just because the board may look the same from a gutshot on the net, does not mean they are the same. BTW, in case it wasnt clear earlier............ DONT BUY RD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for clearing that up! and ill stick with sundown, like i said-for life Me as well. So much so in fact, that I am planning a Big build based on sundown amps and the new nightshades. Falling in to some settlement money Keep your eyes peeled in a few months

The owner of RD is a complete fucktard. No other way to say it, sorry to cuss, but he deserves that. Scamming, lying, cheating etc etc etc. There are many threads about rd audio esp on ca.com, just look in the thunderdome, there is even a sticky one lol

From what I understand, Jacob chooses the cosmetics of the amp( from a range of choices), he also chooses the parts quality, and that is where the money is. From what I have heard, only sundown and IA choose the highest quality parts in the Zenon amps. Just because the board may look the same from a gutshot on the net, does not mean they are the same. BTW, in case it wasnt clear earlier............ DONT BUY RD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1)Zenon amps are korean, not chinese. Korean>China 2) RD has changed thier buildhouse to a chinese one for alot of their amps, the only ones that are zenon are the d5,d9 IIRC 3) AQ has the moved to china as well( from rumors that I have heard). 4) No way in hell would I deal with RD audio for anything, ever. Have dealt with Jacob on quite a few amps already, even some warranty work and he is amazing. NOBODY would do the warranty/customer service he does, Period. 5) AQ has the power cheaper, and is a decent guy to work with( from what I have heard) 6) Heard good things about IA as well. 7) Go Sundown, you will not be dissapointed. DONT BUY RD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edit: spelling PS: DONT BUY RD !!!!!!!!!!

Things have changed as of late, net prices have crept up (shipping anyone???) and b&m prices have crept down. In some cases, it may be better to buy b&m. I bought the 8 id8's in my sig from b&m store, rather than from woofers etc., I ended up paying 20 dollars more for the whole thing, but ended up with a local 2 year over the counter exchange, which kicks the shit out of what woofers etc will do for you.