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Steve, Interesting indeed. I find it a bit ironic that he is accusing Sundown of fabricating test results... by using fabricated test results as evidence. Don't you agree?

i dont believe that even one bit. There are very very few amps in the world including elite level amps that can hang with the 4kw on a 16 volt unlimited battery system. What I dont understand is if these amps are so good and so cheap how come nobody is loud with them yet? Theyve been out for over a year now havent they? Why dont you see extreme vehicles running 100 sundown amps instead of 10 or 20 higher priced ones that apparently put out less power? If you don't believe it then call Sean out. Ibanender on the forums... he'll tell you straight up. Go ahead, call him a liar if you still don't believe it. Plenty of people saw him with 4kws and plenty of people know he now has Sundown 1500Ds, and he bought them from me... no freebies. They have not yet been out a year. I started selling them towards the end of August 2006. I don't know where you get this "nobody is loud" as plenty of Sundown owners are in the 150s. The way it looks there will soon be at least one in the 160s. Trust me, you will see more in the near future. Sundown is a SMALL company, alot of extreme guys don't even know who we are! I meet new people at every show that have no idea who Sundown is. Sundown doesn't have a huge marketing budget or the funds to hand out free amps to everyone, it takes time to get word out. I'm not trying to explode so fast that I can't keep inventory in stock for my dealers. I felt bad when I was out of 1500Ds for five days recently. Grow too fast and that will happen ALOT. And trust me... I could charge more for the 1500D and still sell them. My dealers are always shocked about the low cost compared to Memphis and other big names when they test the amps and see how well they do. Fact is, being that Sundown is a small company I can get away with making less margin than larger companies can. Why would I make less money? Well, fact is, I love audio... so I'm doing exactly what I want to do, as long as I can pay the bills and continue to come out with new products that works for me.

I am going to close this thread if you continue to talk in circles and make statements with no basis in reality while also ignoring any and all evidence to the contrary. It is obvious to everyone but you that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Wagonized, You sir have reading comprehension issues... Sean measured 4x 1500Ds vs. 2x 4kws in his truck on a mess of batteries on a 16 volt system. The 1500Ds did more power... he BOUGHT the amps from me and let me post his test results. You have also failed to discredit my VIDEO of clamping the amp.

I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand that Sundown is a new company. Sundown has been around for under a year at this point, do you really expect all sorts of world records to be set already when we haven't even been around for a finals? You REALLY need to do some research before you continue to make ridiculous statements. * Search for stevew007 on the forum... he is in the 150s now in his CRX and has several first places finishes this season. * My brother has scored first in nSPL no-Wall 0-24 this season at nearly every show... he is close to breaking 150 dB in this class and could potentially go in for a record or at least place at finals if he keeps it up. This is his first season competing and he is doing that well. * Robert Eldridge is in the 158s in MECA with Sundown, and was taking best of show at events before that: http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/i...?showtopic=8167 http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/i...?showtopic=7928 * stratusrt01 on here was closing in on 150 dB in nSPL Pro-Trunk before his strut tower broke from all of the weight. Go ahead, search the forums and ask him about it. There are alot more great scores but it's like talking to a rock with you so it's pointless anyhow so I won't waste my time digging them up. I'm sure someone else can chime in with a few more. It's ridiculous to compare records set by DD to Sundown, and you know it. Look at how long their stuff has been out and how many people know the name and run it -- of course they will have more records! Sundown is also not a "db-drag obsessed" company like DD, a large percentage of my customers don't even compete in SPL, they just enjoy their amps day to day. DD concentrates *heavily* on dB-Drag, and it works to create fan-boys like yourself. Sure, they make great stuff, I suggested the 9500s to my brother for his SPL setup, but that doesn't mean that nothing else on earth compares to it! You have two options... you can actually post real facts or you can continue to slander Sundown with your unfounded statements. If you choose the latter I will see that you are banned from this forum for being a troll. If you come up with some valid information then you can go ahead and post away -- but you don't have ANY since I have shown you time and again that the amps do what they say.

1) You are wrong. Loyd is not on the caraudio.com payroll and I do not sponsor caraudio.com or any other forum. Steve @ Smart Auto Sound sponsors the CCA forums, or he used to anyhow, but that is as close as Sundown gets to sponsoring any forum. 2) Sean Belinger, who is responsible for my high voltage SAZ-1500D and SAZ-3000D testing swapped out 2x Memphis 4kw for 4x SAZ-1500Ds and gained power and SPL. Would you like to talk to him? He purchased and paid for both the Memphis and the Sundown amplifiers and made his decision about what to run. 3) To my knowledge Yuli doesn't own any Sundown amplifiers. Where did he get them? I've sold very few to Canada so it won't be hard to track that down. If he does, indeed, own them then I am curious about his install details. What part of my video is fabricated? What other tests do you want me to do ON VIDEO? I'll go do them if I have the setup available. You fail to respond completely to the video footage of the amplifier being clamped. Where is it rigged? Heck... I'll take a longer video and get each and every piece as I set it up if you want.

Everything except the PG Active crossover is still for sale.

Yes? Is that for a question? Or... what?

I'm really tired of people hating with ridiculous and unfounded arguments... Okay... here it is... clamp meter numbers with VIDEO. I just did this in between my last post and this post. 49.3 volts 45.3 amps 2233 Watts With 14.4 volts rest dropping to as low as ~11.5 volts. What you see is my test bench... 50 amp Pyramid power supply, Kinetik 2400, Duralast 1000CA battery, 2x SI Mags all in parallel @ 0.6 ohms measured DCR at the end of the speaker wire. Fluke AC current meter used for output voltage and current, Sears DMM used to show power supply voltage. Calculated impedance rise of 1.08 ohms @ 55 Hz. I can do the test for you again a hundred times and get within 5% of that. I was doing it earlier today when testing some prototypes I got vs. the SAZ-1500D. And yes, a clamp meter test like this one isn't the "best" or "accurate" way to do it (apparant power vs. real power)... but it's what most enthusiasts do so it's easy to compare numbers with other folks online or at shows, etc. I made it fast so the video would be easy to download... but if anyone has doubts I can take photos of any part of the setup, even video any part of the setup. Suffice to say everything is spot on. I use the same test setup for everything... amp repairs, testing protos, etc... not rigged for anything. VIDEO: http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/CIMG1519.AVI

ridiculous and illogical? the test numbers posted for the sundown 1500d were done so by someone on THEIR payroll. Similar to how the DD Z1 puts out 6000 rms on soundpressure.com. Except morons actually believe it because the sundown amp is a lot more affordable. A strapped pair of 1500d's has been tested to be 2.5db below a z1. And generally the z1s are known to put out a real world wattage in the 2000-3000 watt range depending on voltage drop, box rise etc. So in REALITY which amp is better dollar per watt? Sundown amps might be decent for beginners but I dont understand what their claim to fame is about running at 0.5 ohm daily. There are probably 100 other amps in the world that can do this no problem. And make more power. If you want to buy sundown go ahead....but dont pick up a lump of chit and try to tell people its gold. Neither Loyd nor Sean is on the Sundown payroll. Both of them purchased their amplifiers and are not and were not paid by me to do any testing. Testing was done of their own accord. I have no clue where the rumor that they work for me came from. Who tested the 1500Ds vs the Z1? I don't know about that test nor have I seen it posted until you mentioned it. Link would be nice. I suppose you are from the Canadian Car Audio forum where they love to hate on Sundown with little to no facts. Look around and you will be seeing good numbers from Sundown guys in the lanes. There already are several guys in the high 150s and I posted as such on the Canadian forum... some guys put the results down since they weren't "DB Drag" but were MECA, nSPL, etc. Sure... DD has more records, and they should! They are a bigger company that has been around longer and have more people running their gear... that is a no brainer. Anyhow... whether you think the product is good or not has no bearing on the reality that it is a fine product and I have a slew of satisfied customers who have tested their amps themselves and made up their minds.

I rock my AJ t-shirt from time to time still Lukas does a great job on his site... not to mention being a killer photographer

Yeah, that's true. I was just surprised that no one came on here and said "hey this is a great amp." There always seems to be a lot of talk about the 1500D - just surprising to not hear about the 1000D. I'm sure its a great amp. I've heard enough good things about Sundown to warrant a purchase - just deciding whether to go 1500D or two 1000Ds. Ah, well that is an easy one, especially if you already have subs. If you have a 1 ohm load, 1500D, if you have a 2 ohm load, two 1000Ds. In either event unless you are running competition at loads under 1 ohm / voltage over 14.4 volts the pair of 1000Ds will be more powerful.

Generally if you hear nothing it's a good sign, people WILL chime in when they aren't happy I've had very little feedback considering how many are out there, so I'm assuming those who are quiet like them, the ones who have written me have written to tell me they are impressed and really enjoy their amp.

I will probably have some then, any ETA? I have a few Team members trading up to 3000Ds, and rather than have them try to re-sell their used amps on their own I am giving them credit towards their 3000Ds.

It's all you mang E-Mail sent (sent to your FI Address). ... and re-sent, since I thought you meant the passives

A good idea is to call Nick and leave a message as well if e-mail doesn't work for you

Seems to happen from time to time... I'm trying to figure out if anything can be done for it.

The 3000D does almost exactly double the 1500D at a given load. If you have the 1500Ds @ 1/2 ohm then they will do more than the 3000Ds at 1 ohm, hands down.

I want it to be listenable, so making it to handle the full brunt of 4x 1500Ds all day long doesn't make sense. That much power will be reserved for burps -- a single 3000D or pair of 1500Ds for daily is plenty. The prototype took up to 10kw before one of the coils opened up. We determined it was probably due to the fact that the proto had only 6 spiders when it should have had 8 spiders -- this lead to the coil rocking which scraped the gap making a thin spot on the winding, which burnt through due to the high current. Next proto will have 8 spiders, a longer coil, and a harder cone. I'm not rushing this sub, it'll be out when it's ready

There is a mis-print regarding that on the SAE-1000D. Normal 1/0 wire will *not* fit in the connector. Trime the wire and you will be absolutely fine.

You are referring to the nightshade. Jacob, you got a time on it? Nightshade is still in development and is scheduled for next year.

Duct tape... and lots of it

I don't know anyone locally that has a Z1 or I'd do some testing back to back. Perhaps someone else on here has the setup to try it out. Fact is, Sundown is a new company and more people have used DD so the Sundown's have not been compared to everything under the sun yet

I have considered it, but it's very impractical due to the amount of labor involved. At least at this point in the history of Sundown.

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