BassThoughts

so a 15 really couldent play a lower frequency louder than a 12?

ive got the 2000 grand prix gtp since both of our cars are supercharged be careful about what alt and battery you get remember that our motor requires alot of cranking amps to run correctly (mine is the 3800 series 2 motor) you dont want your overdrive to cut in and out when you give it some gas as far as the subs id go with the 4 ssd's over the 15's the 12's will have alot more output and as far as response (15's dont have better response than 12's thats horse sh!t lol) trust me i know your car very well and know what different setups sound like in it ive had 1 12, 2 12's, 3 12's, 1 15, 2 15's and 2 fosgate 18's the bigger speakers have lower bass but most music is produced on a 80hz average anyway go with the 12's lol The average sub stage is going to be playing ~28hz to 70hz and upwards 80hz. Saying bigger speakers have lower bass is bullshit. The size of the cone does not effect the drivers ability to play one frequency verse another, it does however effect output / loudness of the material being played. bigger speakers have lower bass because they can play the lower frequencies louder lol thats why for 15's you set your crossover to 50hz and 12's to 80hz and your wrong the average sub will not be playing 28hz to 70 hz that all depends on the sub, size, and enclosure I said sub stage, referring to the driver and enclosure. I stated 28hz as some like to tune low although most tune around the low 30s. Crossing over is also preference based, some cross at 70ish and others go up to 80. Just depends on the person and the rest of their sound system. Your statement about different size drivers playing different frequencies louder is completely wrong. I won't argue anymore with you as I'm just beating the shit out of a dead horse and it's not waking up. lol name one speaker that has an fs of 27hz that isnt bottoming out lol the 18" n2 btl has an fs of 34hz lol if i am some where wrong correct me and prove it so my opinion may be changed in the right directing because i am not getting what you are talking about

ive got the 2000 grand prix gtp since both of our cars are supercharged be careful about what alt and battery you get remember that our motor requires alot of cranking amps to run correctly (mine is the 3800 series 2 motor) you dont want your overdrive to cut in and out when you give it some gas as far as the subs id go with the 4 ssd's over the 15's the 12's will have alot more output and as far as response (15's dont have better response than 12's thats horse sh!t lol) trust me i know your car very well and know what different setups sound like in it ive had 1 12, 2 12's, 3 12's, 1 15, 2 15's and 2 fosgate 18's the bigger speakers have lower bass but most music is produced on a 80hz average anyway go with the 12's lol The average sub stage is going to be playing ~28hz to 70hz and upwards 80hz. Saying bigger speakers have lower bass is bullshit. The size of the cone does not effect the drivers ability to play one frequency verse another, it does however effect output / loudness of the material being played. bigger speakers have lower bass because they can play the lower frequencies louder lol thats why for 15's you set your crossover to 50hz and 12's to 80hz and your wrong the average sub will not be playing 28hz to 70 hz that all depends on the sub, size, and enclosure lets put it this way which can play a lower note a tuba or a trumpet? lol a speaker in a ported box is very much the same. with a tuba or trumpet the vibrations from your lips combined with the air blown from your lungs through the instrument is then tuned by the instrument and projected from the horn making it more audible to the ear well a speaker creates vibration and moves air being amplified inside of the box and being directed out of the port tuning it making it more audible to the ear

ive got the 2000 grand prix gtp since both of our cars are supercharged be careful about what alt and battery you get remember that our motor requires alot of cranking amps to run correctly (mine is the 3800 series 2 motor) you dont want your overdrive to cut in and out when you give it some gas as far as the subs id go with the 4 ssd's over the 15's the 12's will have alot more output and as far as response (15's dont have better response than 12's thats horse sh!t lol) trust me i know your car very well and know what different setups sound like in it ive had 1 12, 2 12's, 3 12's, 1 15, 2 15's and 2 fosgate 18's the bigger speakers have lower bass but most music is produced on a 80hz average anyway go with the 12's lol The average sub stage is going to be playing ~28hz to 70hz and upwards 80hz. Saying bigger speakers have lower bass is bullshit. The size of the cone does not effect the drivers ability to play one frequency verse another, it does however effect output / loudness of the material being played. bigger speakers have lower bass because they can play the lower frequencies louder lol thats why for 15's you set your crossover to 50hz and 12's to 80hz and your wrong the average sub will not be playing 28hz to 70 hz that all depends on the sub, size, and enclosure

ive got the 2000 grand prix gtp since both of our cars are supercharged be careful about what alt and battery you get remember that our motor requires alot of cranking amps to run correctly (mine is the 3800 series 2 motor) you dont want your overdrive to cut in and out when you give it some gas as far as the subs id go with the 4 ssd's over the 15's the 12's will have alot more output and as far as response (15's dont have better response than 12's thats horse sh!t lol) trust me i know your car very well and know what different setups sound like in it ive had 1 12, 2 12's, 3 12's, 1 15, 2 15's and 2 fosgate 18's the bigger speakers have lower bass but most music is produced on a 80hz average anyway go with the 12's lol

oh yeah he can fit em back there i own a 2000 grand prix GTP lol thers about 35" width 17" height and 36" depth in the trunk only problem is it would have to be 2 seperate boxes, or 1 built inside of the trunk or youd have to take off one of the back doors and take out the back seat to get the box in there lol then put the back seat back in also it has a 1 1/2 by 1 1/2 foot (estimate) fold down in the middle of the back seat that allows alot of air through but i wanted more and just removed the top half of the back seat lol

i dont really have a budget ill just save,save, and save till i get enough money lol my car has a stock supercharger so i upgraded the battery,alt, and upgraded the big 3 to 2awg before i even bought a system although i am only running a 4awg kit for my amp so im thinkin it could use an upgrade before i get a bigger amp id be looking for maybe 1400-1600w but im thinkin maybe around $400 to spend on it im not sure ive never bought an amp that big so i dont really know what they cost really i paid $150 for my amp Oh wait you know what i could allways buy my exact same amp again they can be ran in master and slave through a data cable thats supplied with the amp but then again it pushes really clean wattage but its made in china so im not sure how long the parts in it will last its a soundstream rubicon 1.1000d the 2010 model

Thing about these subs is they're rated at 800rms, not 600rms, and with the options it's easily a couple hundred more rms tolerance than stock. Even the 1500 is cutting it close but i recommend it because it sounds like he's on a budget and it should power them well. Just saying oh yeah good point i dont know why i was thinking 600 well then yeah 2000w would be more right but if he's on a budget i guess he could go with the 1500 ii should check it out too i might step up from my soundstream amp to it

i think you should allways get a bigger amp than you plan to use. if you get a 1200w amp and two 600w subs your making your amp have to work as hard as it can to power the subs. and usually with an amp at full power its puts out more distortion. id say get a 1500w amp like 98GMC said and just turn your gains down its good to have that extra room too especially if you ever decide to enter into a comp because, usually with subs they have a peak wattage rating that for about 2-3 seconds you can burp a little lower than and not fry the coils. which is nice when someone thinks they got ya beat, and you pull out that little bit of extra wattage

so wait it says 300w rms on the 12" x series on the black friday sale i just ordered two of them thinking they were 300w rms so are they 300w or 250w rms because if they are 250w i think ill need to change my order to something else that can handle more wattage because i have a soundstream rub1.1000d which is 1000w rms @ 1ohm and 800w rms @ 2ohm i was hoping the 300w rms was right and maybe a little underated so the two of them could maybe handle 700w rms You could put 1000 watts a piece on these if you know what you're doing. Be easy with the gain and they'll handle your amp no problem. DONT put 1k watts to one of these, there isn't a reason really. If you have ~700 avail. to 2, just turn the gain down to compensate if you're worried about it. It has an RMS rating for a reason, whether it's 250 or 300. i just got done in e-mails with Fi and this is what they said thank god lol "They are 300W subs. We have used them in many applications with more power than that without issue if properly set up. If ported, definitely set the amps subsonic filter 2-4 Hz below tuning. We do not recommend the use of any sort of bass boost either on the headunit or amplifier as it will lead to clipping at those frequencies MUCH faster than all other frequencies. The subsonic only needs to be set if run ported. If sealed it can be turned down. For ported we recommend 2-4 Hz below the tuning frequency of the enclosure. If you are running a pair of them in 4 cuft tuned to 35Hz then I would recommend turning the filter to the 31-33 Hz range as a start." So according to Fi they should be fine with my amp id also like to add the fs on the sub is 27.7hz thats the lowest frequency it can handle im geussing so i dont think i would tune my box any lower than 35hz with the subsonic filter at 34hz my amp = 2010 soundstream Rub1.1000d 1000w rms @ 1ohm 800w rms @ 2ohm my headunit = 2010 alpine cde-102 has 2 volt rca outs

so wait it says 300w rms on the 12" x series on the black friday sale i just ordered two of them thinking they were 300w rms so are they 300w or 250w rms because if they are 250w i think ill need to change my order to something else that can handle more wattage because i have a soundstream rub1.1000d which is 1000w rms @ 1ohm and 800w rms @ 2ohm i was hoping the 300w rms was right and maybe a little underated so the two of them could maybe handle 700w rms