DevilDriver

Hater.

I think we busted his balls too hard and I regret that maybe I started that trend. At the same time, Blake doesn't have to be quite so defensive....just read the comments for what they are and move on. Regardless, our lives will go on and this thread won't matter. For both sides, sometimes leaving people to their own devices is better than trying to sway them one way or the other, particularly when the precedent is not a positive one. Like I said, Blake: email me anytime. Despite the start here, hang out a bit and enjoy the forum...everyone can be very friendly and there is something here for everyone. Cooler heads will prevail and then we can all share in a common interest.

I just had to walk out of a Calc class because of something someone was wearing...I have allergies but they're usually no big deal....today was bad. I sneezed 4 times in a row and kept sneezing on my way out the door...maybe 15-20 times before I got it to stop. Then it was intermittent for a few minutes. So I blow my nose, compose myself, and head back to class. Two minutes later...same deal. I feel like garbage now.

Can we put a disclaimer in there that says "Please don't use the terms SQ or SPL unless you are intending to use those products for competition. And SQL is non-existent." Or something to that effect. I'm thinking two birds, one stone. Very well done, Scott.

I don't think I have any newcastle left in the fridge. It's usually sold out at the liquor board store.

Can you get that up there in toon town? I haven't seen it around here...hard to find stuff but FestivAle is coming up soon.

How did you enjoy the Stella Artois? I know it's not for everyone but I have a fridge packed full of them at the moment. Pics of her in top, asap. Not in a weird creepy way, though.

I'll take your admin paycheck, then. $1,000,000 a year ain't no thang.

Ugh, Nick. I didn't say that an anechoic chamber is analog to listening in a vehicle. But that doesn't make the results of the driver in an anechoic chamber less valid...that is still "real world". What you are suggesting is that, as an engineer, you should not try to understand the relation between objective analysis and subjective opinion, and then design based on that. You should build prototypes until you like the sound of it...but since everyone hears different (which is maybe a bit vague and arguable) how would you know you have a good prototype in the first place? I'm not saying every present metric for speaker measurement is accurate. THD itself is a dumb metric...it's been shown that some listeners can hear the difference between 1% and 2% THD in an amplifier but can't hear the difference between 10% and 35% THD in a speaker...so the metric itself holds no validity; and this is excluding the lack of proper weighting based on our interpretation of distortion. But a random thought...I'm not sure if you've listened to the Excel series drivers from Seas before. They sound excellent. AND they measure very well. Nice linear and symmetrical inductance and BL. Same with the Revelators. There is already a fairly strong correlation between what we are able to measure and what we audibly interpret...and the correlation grows stronger with more and more research. The gap exists in some people's understanding of what the measurements represent and how they relate to listening in a different environment. This is a science vs. religion argument. It is fine if you prefer a different method of evaluating speakers...but that doesn't mean other methods are less valid or should just be ignored when it has strong supporting evidence. edit: You mention that a speaker installed will sound different if using different HU's, etc. Again, this is not the speaker that has changed! It is everything else. The speakers performance still holds relevance. edit 2: As someone who has engineered speakers in the past, what is your process? Do you FEA a driver and simulate BL and Cms curves? If so, why?

Dear Hop, Quit keeping me up late. I'm tired again this morning.

I'm waiting to see if a guy on another forum has the nuts to speak again after the show. He was calling me every name in the book leading up to the episode because "Duh, the plane won't fly!" He also had a mystery group of engineers at Boeing on speed dial that said the plane will never fly. I asked for their phone # but he never came through.

The kind you can throw around a bit.

No, that probably wouldn't help. I've never been to a titty bar, to be honest. I'm not really interested in going unless I was going to fuck them anyways....too much of a tease, in my opinion.

You're only wondering because you're drunk. And because our dicks control us.

What type of learning to work metal? If it's welding, MIG is pretty easy to pick up on quickly. TIG takes a bit more practice. Or are you talking about hammer and dolly work? But maybe you want to be really old school and lead the body instead of body filler.

They are MTM's. Meaning the first "way" is the tweeter and the second "way" is a pair of mids on opposite sides of the tweeter. Still a two way as the tweeter handles one group of frequencies while the two mids share another group of frequencies. They would be three ways if each speaker handled different bandwidth.

Who doesn't want a good ratrod? I know it's not just me, but I really do not like the polished and "perfect" rods...I like flat black, old school, pinstriped, with a bad ass v8.

I don't get the term "real world". It implies there is something "not real" about something done with a variety of controls. Does a speaker behave differently in a vehicle or does one vehicle behave differently than another?

Because XBL^2 drivers aren't flat in a vehicle and our hearing mechanisms are too complex for people to understand what they are hearing and remedy it. Where I think we agree is that for 99% of all consumers, all the theory and practice doesn't matter worth a damn. But that doesn't mean it's unimportant. Most consumers don't care how a collective vehicle works but it is still important to strive for better performance through research and development. The type of testing done on sites like DIYMA or Zaph (and eCrack?) are very good for those who understand it, although I do have concerns that misinformed conclusions are drawn and espoused on other forums too often.

So did we but it consisted of static stretching and doing a couple laps....

Astounding is the perfect word for what I was thinking.

That's why we need to identify any discrepancies that exist, not give up on it all together and just let all things go unaccounted for. And the commitment to this that has been started by industry leaders like Drs. Toole, Geddes, Lee, etc. needs to be continued, not forgotten. THD itself is a relatively pointless metric but there are improvements made every year.

Not to be too sentimental, but we have a very good eclectic group here...I think we would be hard-pressed to find a topic that one of us doesn't have the answer for, audio or otherwise. It's really quite awesome.

Very nice post, Steve. Opened my eyes already. I don't want to play the blame game but it's amazing that I have played sports my whole life and took gym all throughout high school...and I've already learned more about fitness than I was taught. I can't speaker for everyone else but I think a delivery of the basics of each type of exercise and training (agility and speed are most interesting to me as someone who did track for a while) and then go over how to design a training program...and then the more advanced stuff (ie. biomechanics). Maybe I'm looking at it all wrong, though. I will be very interested to hear more. My brother and I are both athletes and he is currently a long distance runner. Depending on the ranking system, he's #3 in the country for the 3000 m in his age group but he needs to build up speed for the final kick...and his training regiment so far doesn't seem to be getting him that extra gear at the finish that he needs to have a shot at world-class performance. I soak anything up so gimme what you've got.

Yeah, don't feel like doing homework tonight either. Which means I'll have to do a bunch when I wake up tomorrow but that's life.