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Nice! I admittedly like the Skrillex remix better though. NOT to go off topic but, I've been outta the dubstep loop for about 8 months. This Skrillex guy...I don't really like his music lol. I tried to listen to it and it's not really the kind of dubstep I like. Which basically means I haven't heard it lololol

Sounds like you already decided lol

im talking 160 not 150. and why is that? At a certain point, adding subs and amps becomes baby steps and your biggest increases will come from stopping flex, and designing more efficient enclosures and the like. That's the difference between "ground pounder" and "spl."

Lol like the guy that tried to tell Mr that a polk 600 watt amp will send 600 watts to both my subs, cuz its a myth that amps split up the power. Also, apparently "good" subs will last almost a year if you treat them good. Normal subs are only made to last a couple of months. He was the manager.....ffs.

Android back button double post lol

Ok so...we all know that some vehicles are louder than others, some are more prone to flex so on and so forth. We all know that a 150 in one car can look and feel drastically different than a 150 in a different car. But what I want to know is... can there be more force behind a woofer's stroke which would in turn translate into moving more air and more flex BUT, it's not as loud on a meter? Let's take say...a pair 6x9. I can make the 6x9's play louder (to my ear anyway) than my pair of 12's but they move less air and hardly flex anything. It doesn't sound very "powerful," if you will. At the same time, my subs at a lot lower volume can move my mirror which the 6x9's can hardly do when playing at higher volumes. They're LOUDER yes, but less...forceful. Here's where it gets fuzzy. Can a system be more forceful and move more air but be quieter than another system in the same environment playing the same song/frequency? Can one system be an easy, crushing 150 while another is just squeaking out a 150? Or is it exactly the same and only a difference in our heads? If I have 15 burping a 150 at 45hz and switch to 4 15's and upgrade to the point where I can do constant 150's would it sound and feel the same? If it's too long...can a speaker have more force but less volume?

I think he meant books lol. I vote for alarm with bright ass lights. Make it as unpleasant and loud inside the car as possible. And maybe wire it to a second battery so that they can't disable it from the under the hood.

Skream - In for the Kill. Let the beginning part play, the bass comes outta nowhere. DON'T get the Decaf version though. It starts where there's bass already. I have a slowed version (but not boosted) I made if you want it.

If all things are NOT truly the same, why does it meter the same. What is it that the mic is missing? There's my real question. Thanks for narrowing it down. You're awesome. Always simplify things, makes them more clear. All cars, all speakers, all boxes, all electronics, mechanics etc have their own signature on what they do acoustically or vibrationally when exposed to some sort of Kinetic energy. Mathematically it can be explained as a transfer function. ie, you ring a bell with a hammer and y lbs of force and at 1 ft it will ring this at x dB, in this case the bell resonates at a frequency and acts as a mechanical amplifier and then the structure moves around at that frequency and moves enough air to amplify the little energy you put into it. This resonation or amplification can occur in air as well as sound bounces off different objects in different defined spaces. You now have an acoustic response and structure borne noise changing the response and we haven't even spoken about the major differentiator in the box and driver, obviously these also follow the laws of Physics and can be understood in the same ways. Considering most people on here have dinked around with a box modeling software of some sort you can see what changing either t/s parameters or the box can have a drastic effect on the outcome so I won't go into that. ...but that is a little more complicated than saying if you keep everything the same and it meters the same it will be the same. Ok I understand a little better. I'm sure Im not comprehending fully but I have an idea. And Steve, you're spot on Haha. Yay for simple minded bassheads.

Wow. If all you got from that was me trying to hurt your feelings then holy shit your comprehension skills suck. But I'll leave it alone. Have fun with your bitter ass attitude. You want respect, earn that shit. But I guess your generation knows nothing about that huh?

If all things are NOT truly the same, why does it meter the same. What is it that the mic is missing? There's my real question. Thanks for narrowing it down. You're awesome.

What in the fuck dude? You can't call someone's parents retarded, say they're part of the reason the country is fucked up, and then proceed to say that said parents taught them poorly financially without them getting pissed off? What if I said your parents were dumb as shit and raised a whiner who blames the country's problems on everyone else? See how that might be taken the wrong way? He asked for amp advice and gave a little back story. Once again, for whatever reason, you take out your frustrations on the current generation by insulting them (Words like lazy and incompetent are insults, no matter how sensitive you are.) Who the fuck wants to be called lazy and incompetent cuz their parents loaned them some money? Seriously? "Take my insults or leave?" How tasteless and disrespectful is that. Can you not disagree with his actions without insulting his parents? If not you have problems. (See that, that's an insult, not advice. Learn the difference)

Why do you associate that with the 15's versus the 12? Where are you measuring the dB? If you are using your chest (or any part of your body for that matter) as a reference shouldn't you make sure they measure the same there? Also curious on your burp tone and what it is. You may be feeling things beyond what is being played or playing things you are feeling that aren't affecting the measurement. Sorry to double post, but I wanted to emphasize this. THAT STUFF. The things he may be feeling beyond what is being played, what the hell is that?

Ok, this is feeling a bit over my head now. I can try to simplify it though. I've never heard something then been told what it metered so when you give me numbers say...145, that means nothing to me as I have no point of reference to even guess with. People often refer to bass in ways that are completely subjective and hard to measure. Deep, heavy, quick, punchy. If I'm sitting next to you in the car, you can say, "do you feel how punchy that is?" and since we're for the most part experiencing the same thing, I can agree or disagree, but with just words that means nothing. What I want to know...and it'll probably seem redundant at this point...is.... People consider Db's to be the "true" measurement of "intensity" as more Db's ideally equals more sound. HOWEVER, if you take a setup that peaks at a certain frequency and puts up a certain score at that frequency, then take a setup that is drastically different but peaks at and puts up an identical score at the SAME frequency, would it be the same experience? I think the obvious answer is no, but what I want to know is why is that? I understand every car is different, every box, sub, and install is different (so I'm assuming the above qualities are the same simply for the sake of comparison). Shouldn't the install that can blow hair around and knock dome lights loose meter higher than the single sub install burping at the same frequency? This...difference in intensity, how do you measure that? Like SteveMead's example above, it meter's the same but it feels and sounds much louder. What is the difference? I hope everyone understands lol

Uhmm...ok sorry but I'm really not understanding. What do you mean by different Db's M5? And Shizz, what do you mean by peaking at different frequencies? Just forget the 6x9 example then. I don't think it's getting across what I mean.

OK, pair of 6x9's. I turn the volume up, play a song, they make bass. Disconnect the 6x9's turn subs on, same song, much lower volume than the 6x9's. I can FEEL the subs playing, something the 6x9's can't do. They made louder bass to my ear but the subs just sound so much heavier, more forceful. What I'm asking is why is that? Can something measure lower on a meter, but feel more intense, move more air, cause more flex? The 6x9 thing is just an example really. The way people say a 6x9 can never replace a sub is something I figured everybody could relate to.

Assuming the same frequency? Or do you mean the frequency RESPONSE is the difference?

Ok. Got a brand new Audiopipe aqx-1800d (NOT the popular AP series. The new "better" ones.) It's in a less than optimal install which consists of 4-gauge wire that's only fused for 80 amps and just an upgraded starting battery. I set the gains pretty low and it was just fine. No voltage drop or anything. Then it sat in the car overnight exposed to the elements (read: heat) and all kinds of crazy shit happened. It kinda falls asleep at low volume, and by that I mean it cuts off completely no protect light. If I play it loud and it heats up it cuts off then too, with no protect light then either. It seems like it comes back on when it cools off but it just cut off again and it's pretty cool to the touch.....I'm confuzzled. I'm not running it hard at all even though the wire is too small and I have no electrical upgrades. It hasn't seen any voltage drop or anything like that. I just wanted opinions before I warranty and sell this bish.

Lookin good!

Just like Current*Voltage=power, Voltage^2 = power. Ohm's law is very slippery.

Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! Fixin shit feels good, don't it? Why yes it does sir. It feels damn good. No, I was just disappointed. My buddy has the AP1500 and it's one TOUGH lil bastard so I figured well hell the premium series must damn near bulletproof right? I'll put up a review sometime this week, since I could find absolutely nothing about it before I bought it.

Ohjay is our grand prize winnar! Shot to hell fuseholder was correct!

Uhh....I got a 12v lightbulb lol I'm in the house for the night atm but ill go buy a new fuse in the morning.

What does a blown MAXI fuse look like lol I feel so dumb. EDIT: Can a fuse be like....partially blown and cause an amp to flicker on and off before staying off? Or is that the amp just losing power? Thanks for all the help guys.

Lots of cables on ebay. 227 shipped. Ok its not the amp guys. I installed my old rockford P500-2 and it has the same problem. Can a fuse be blown without looking blown?