Robert.Metzel

So I am able to turn the HU level up higher on say the sample song to closer match the power I see using a 0db test tone? Just listen for clipping correct? And thanks for the reply! Yes, you are able to turn it up higher if the song is recorder low. To get a really good idea on the sound of clipping, play some square waves, that will get you accustomed with clipping really fast and you will pick it up in music much easier. Sounds good! Thanks again!

So I was bored tonight and I was going through my iTunes looking for songs that could be used as a show off playlist. I was looking through various artists and importing the audio files into Audacity. When I used the plot spectrum feature the absolute highest peak bass note was at -12db so far. That was a song off a bass cd I have. So that has me wondering. When I set my gains I used a 0 db test tone at 50 hz. I have control of the sub output level via the HU. Now I know songs never hit 0 db, so when I'm really wanting to bump I'll turn the level to +5 which really gets some songs hitting hard. One song that bangs hard is Young Jeezy " My Hood" In looking at the peaks I see: 38hz @ -17db 51hz @ -15db 59hz @ -16db But now I am wondering if I can go higher with the level control to maximize the output of power. Now I know with imp rise and all that good jazz most notes aren't going to see full power. But won't turning up the level control ( not the gain knob ) maximize the power at said imp seen at that particular note? Or is the level control just an variant of the gain knob? When at +5 it slams and sounds clean to me. And to be clear, normally I have the sub level at 0 in the HU and I actually started using a gain knob, which came with my new Sundown amp. That is normally about 3 clicks shy of minimum setting. Let me know if I am way off base. A screen shot of what I'm talking about: Also, what effect does clipping in the music have on the sub? I notice a TON of songs are lit up red like Rudolph's nose when I use the show clipping option.

Anything else? Everything good. I would suggest sub up port back, Under-powering is not bad for sub-woofers, Overpowering however is. What answer in his reply would change it to port up? I'm trying to figure out how all the added info he posted changes the port direction other then spl or daily. School me! You guys tend to want to know all the variables to come to an answer and never explain HOW you come to said conclusion. Can't learn that way. I would have said port back based on the first question because that seems to be a basic rule of thumb in suv's. Which I derive from answers to questions like this. Which means I could be learning the wrong thing. See my point?

I'm from IL originally.... so I am def not a cheese head! lol Get called a fib on a daily basis. I guess having all my teeth gives me away. haha

This one cracked me up.... Must be driving a huge car... JL audio 12" woofer speaker

I'm in Central Wisconsin....

I hear you! B&H is the devil! Makes me wanna sell my kid for gear!lol It applies to any camera. So I am saying go finding a busted or cheap Canon some place and trade it in for a discounted Canon P&S like a G11 or even an S series. Save a ton of cash that way. You can literal send them a $3 Canon film P&S you found at a garage sale and get a G11 for half of what it is brand new. Or what ever model you want. We rock 2 5d's as main bodies and a 40d and a 1d Mark II as backups now. So we wanna get the 5D mark II's as mains and keep the 5d's as backups and off load the rest.

I actually just looked back at an old video I have of just the one. I was in 10 cubes at 27 hz and it killed the lows. Sounded great doing it too. I would rock RE XXX again if I had the electrical to back them. The old ones though. Not the new ones.

So that is pretty much the same thing as setting with a -db tone then correct? What is a good -db level to use? -6db? Like I said, it sounds clean when I do it. So this answers part of my question. Second half would be: So I am able to turn the HU level up higher on say the sample song to closer match the power I see using a 0db test tone? Just listen for clipping correct? And thanks for the reply!

Right now, IF I could get another lens, body, flash, or anything, I would probably choose a P&S camera. I love my Canon, but after 5 years or so with it, it is just too damn big, heavy, and just a pain to carry around. I wish I could take a camera with me that I could fit in my pocket. Plus, I know some P&S cameras that shoot GREAT pictures, so don't take yours for granted! I appreciate all of the great words guys! Well if you wanna off load an old camera, check out Canons Loyalty Program. I called and its to much info to type, but you are allowed to trade in any old camera, working or not, for a refurbished Canon. So when I called to verify, they said yes, and you are allowed to do it 3 times under your name. Applies at all Canon camera except the 1 series. So we are trading in 2 old used Canon P&S we picked up at Goodwill for Refurbished 5D Mark II's for a lot less then normal refurb price. They come with a warranty too. Also picking up some G11's I think. So a 5D Mark II refurbished right from Canons Direct store is 2099.00. Trading in our $3 film camera's, we were quoted at $1200.00 for the 5d Mark II. The G11 was like $230 or so. New its $444.00 through B&H. Refurb is around $350.00 when they have them in stock. Check it out by calling them directly and asking about the loyalty program!

I think you mean -db test tones to closer match music peaks. After my first post I decided to take a drive and go full tilt at +5 on the sub level on this song. I took note of how loud the 50 hz tone was on music. Then I dropped it to 0db level and play a 0db 50hz test tone and the output on the test tone was substantially louder. Obviously it should be, but I wouldn't mind getting a bit closer to that output on music..... safely though.

You can hear subs just fine in Marine use. Its not chest pounding of course as most operate free air from what I have seen and heard. Marine audio tends to be built up a bit more in the weather sealing department. Like waterproof HU's and speakers. Doesn't mean you can use a regular HU or regular equipment. But you take a huge risk of damage from people, waves, splashing, rain, etc.... There is just a lot more moisture on the water then there is on land. So that plays a role in corrosion of stuff. So most marine amps have coated PCB's to prevent corrosion from the moisture and stainless steel caps, etc... where as our car amps don't have that. Personally, I would do it right the first time with proper equipment. Cost will be substantially greater in the long run if stuff starts fail because its operating in an environment its not designed to be in. Hope that helps.

We final got our new T-Shirts in! Its the first design of many to come. We actually have a big enough following that people requested we make shirts! lol Let me know what you guys think of the shirts and little website I designed for them. Only a temp setup for now. I used stick guys because My partner Luke and I are known as the Black Tie Guys. So we use stick guys on stuff sometimes. People seem to like it. lol 1. 2. 3. 4. Temp website for the shirts is: BTP T-Shirts - Home

Thanks guys! I final got a Sundown Amp on them! SAZ-2000d. I cant believe how much cleaner they sound now! Giving them the full 2000 and man is it bumping now! New flex and excursion videos coming soon. Cone movement is peaking out now but not bottoming out! Still gonna recone to either 15's or 18's this winter sometime.

Just a quick video I took with my Blackberry today. I can't find the cord for my JVC Camcorder that hooks it to the computer. So specs for this video are as follows: 2- 12" SSD subs Stock specs 4 cube box tuned to 30hz Subsonic set at 27 hz volume 15 ( gain set at volume 30) Subwoofer set at -7 at the head-unit ( gain setup with sub at 0 on the head-unit ) 1600 watt Soundstream Amp I was amazed at how much flex it created at such a low volume. Once I find that cord I'll upload a better video that shows just about all the flex like the windows, roof, etc... Really happy with these subs! Sound awesome even at full tilt playing music! And yes, I did drop my phone... cause I'm a tool. lol Still need to tuck the wires just haven't had time and I really wanted to hear it. Will be done this week though.

These are the only two that I have: 1. Sons name on left inner forearm 2. Dragon on right inner forearm. Needs to be touched up. About 12 years old now

This is the first time an Alt gave me wood! They look fantastic!

Cool stuff man! I a big fan of B&W but most of my clients prefer color. To see my stuff go to: www.blacktiefoto.com and some recent stuff is on our fan page on FB. BTP Fan Page I just posted 3 teaser shots in B&W of one of our more famous clients Adam Chojnacki. Keep up the good work!

I love film! Digital is much easier to work with, but you just can't beat the look of film! I like the composition of the second shot.

When I got my first one I was running mine in 7.5 cubes after displacement tuned to 27 hz. I'm not sure I would go with a Khaotik enclosure though. Just for the fact that the XXX weighs so much and mounting it to .75" piece of mdf might not hold it up. IDK though. I had mine firing up and porting back with a double baffle and a couple of blocks on the inside for the magnet to rest on when mounted just to be safe. I also used 1/4" thread rods for bracing the box. I tend to overbuild though, but that never hurts.

Victim? No. The only thing you are a "victim" of is your own actions of willingly and knowingly violating your companies policies. You have no one to blame but yourself. Calling yourself a "victim" attempts to place the blame on someone else. You do realize companies have policies in place for a reason, correct? There are a wide multitude of reasons, ranging from codes of conduct to legal issues. In many cases, if a coworker is aware of certain policy violations but fails to report those actions, they can also be held accountable. Why should someone else put themselves in jeopardy so that you can continue doing something that you both know is wrong and will have repercussions? There can be legal repercussions as well. When this lady that works for me was in high school, she was aware that people at her employer were taking money from the cash drawer but never told anyone. The employer finally caught on and the police investigated. She had charges brought against her as an accessory to the crime since she knew they were doing it but did not report it, even though she never personally took a dime. People need to learn to deal with the consequences of their own actions, rather than blaming others for their own wrong doings and trying to claim to be a "victim" of anything other than their own bad judgment. x2 Before I owned my own business I was in big box store retail, Management to be specific. If one of my employee's intentionally and/or knowingly broke policy, I would fire them on the spot. Anyone who knew of the breach and didn't come forward was either also released or put on a serious warning. While not everyone agrees with every policy, its everyone's duty to follow them. There were a ton of policies I thought were a total joke, yet I still enforced them and followed them. There are at least 10 people in line for any given job, and most would be more than willing to follow every policy to the T, and for less money. Especially in the current economic times. Whether its a friend at work or fellow employee you don't know well, NOBODY is worth losing your job over unless they are going to cover your entire income while you're unemployed. And even then, it will effect future job opportunities. So "snitch".... you're damn right I would and will. I have a family to support. One thing I will do is if its a very minor infraction, I will talk to that person first, warning them if it happens again I will tell the boss. Policies are in place to protect you, the company, and the customer 99.9% of the time. So by breaking policy, you are always directly effecting one of the 3 in a negative way.

That's pretty sweet! And your parents named both of you Jason?

Been a member since I ordered my 2 stock spec SSD 12's a couple of weeks ago. I have noticed most people tend to go for BL's and BTL's. So all you fellow SSD owners let's see what you got and how you like them. Pics and videos would be nice too! Info on spl numbers, what kinda box you're running, auto make and model, etc.... Anything you wanna share. Mine come tomorrow so I won't have them in the car for a couple of weeks while I run new power wire and build the box. Def taking some pics though. So show some Fi SSD love people! Let's put all these BL and BTL threads to shame!

LMFAO! To funny!