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Not a good idea to run two different amps to the same speaker(s), regardless on if you gain match them or not

You know what, that sounds like a damn good idea! Ah, now I see where the miscommunication came into play. No, I have not tested the amp to see what it's putting out, system has been down for the past couple months. I'll go about doing that once I get her back up and running, which will hopefully be the beginning of January. Very good point about the box, I just wish I knew how to go about finding out the response of a given box. Does Bass Box Pro v.6 do that? Do you think I could bother you to help me figure out what some good designs are as far as response once I figure out out to map it out and do some designs in it? I'm going to do a single 2512 for the time being, until I can upgrade my electrical to sufficiently run 2400rms, so I was going to build the box to DD's suggested specs of 1.75cubes and tuned between 36-38Hz. When I get the pair I was just going to double that, so 3.5 cubes. I guess I will need to get my hands on a Mechman Rhino series alt before I can double up my amps and subs, if you're gonna do it might as well do it right, right?

I have an AQ1200D and love it!

AQ2200D

Do you know anything about our situation other than the fact that I choose not to do business with companies he has close ties with? But yet you're forming an opinion on it and using retarded metaphors to further prove how immature YOU are! Great info! So based on what you know about my music listening style and my budget, do you have any suggestions that you think would be better suited for me than a DD 2512?

Haha, I wish I could tell you. Just so you know, my system is currently down, had to take it out due to random electrical issues with the car once the factory deck was removed. Gotta love Chevy's Class 2 data bus crap! But when it was up and running I was getting 14.4 at idle and up to 15.0 under acceleration. Don't mistake that for being a constant 15.0, it was more a touch and go type thing, sorry if I misled. And when my system was up and running I did have the Big 3 done. Maybe I didn't word it right, i'm definitely not running a 3 way setup, but I am running 3 way active uh...........ROFL. When somebody says they're running a 3 way setup, I automatically think what Jay-cee said, tweet/midrange/midbass. But running 3 way active can be either the aforementioned or like my setup, tweet/midrange/subs. You don't have to run an active setup to run a 3 way setup. Kinda hard to say because I don't know what certain frequencies are in certain songs, but I think they should be able to play the mid to upper 40's with no problems. I determined the frequency the drop off happens by playing test tones. As far as clean and loud and the definitions of them....The clean part was more me asking if the AQ puts out clean power...people are always using the term "clean power" and I was just wanting to know if the AQ qualifies as an amp that puts out clean power. Loud....what's loud is very much subjective, I get it, I guess I was just wondering if the DD 2512's would fall under the "loud" category if pushed with the AQ2200 in a properly built enclosure. I'm not looking for a meter monster or nothing like that, I just want a daily driver that has a bangin' sub stage with a clean sounding front stage. My equipment prospects are my own choices, nobody led me to either of them...I have an AQ1200 that I am happy with, it didn't cost very much and pushed my subs nicely which is why I considered the AQ2200. As for the subs, I just wanted to go with something not many others out here have. Exactly! I will not support brands that support him, that's my personal preference and I have my reasons which I don't care to get into here. AA is too pricey for me and no local dealer anyway, Iraggi; way too many horror stories for me to even consider doing business with him, XS Power for me is like using a cannon to kill a fly, my SVR batteries do me just fine. I've never been a fan of Kicker.....so yeah, taking them out of the mix is a non-issue for me Did I read that right? You're comparing him to Jesus? I thought I got away from that crap You have no idea what happened that makes me feel this way so how can you comment on whether or not it's retarded? Getting banned from his forum has nothing to do with it, FYI, it's way deeper than that but again, I don't choose to get into it here. So I only ask that you respect my choice on the subject and refrain from making yourself look any dumber by forming an opinion on something you have very little info about. That sucks

I understand where you're coming from....I've never had any experience with DD so i'm definitely not speaking from experience, but they aren't exactly abundant out here on the West Coast and I like having things not many others have. But also DD seems to have quite a reputation for building a very good product that performs well and while the cost of the product was a bit more than I really wanted to pay initially, I haven't read or heard anything about the product that makes me think it'll be anything other than impressive. Just for the record, when I first decided I wanted to get louder I set my budget at $300 and had my sights set on a pair of Type R 12's...they were $120 at the time and are $130 now. But one of my teammates just went out and got a pair of Type R's and I don't want the same thing he's got so I ditched the idea. I considered a Fi Q but refused to do business with a company so closely related with ***** *****. So after looking around, checking out prices and user reviews, I have decided to give DD a shot.

There you go splitting hairs again, haha. Maybe I didn't word it right, i'm definitely not running a 3 way setup, but I am running 3 way active since the signal for all the speakers in my setup are processed first then amplified and all can be tweaked via my deck. But enough with the semantics, an SSA Xcon is damn near $400!!!! Ouch! Not to mention the 1750rms rating...considering my amp can only put out 1470rms at it's best, I think I'll stick with the DD 2512. You seem kind of intent on steering me away from DD, any reason why? Since I want to do the sub/port forward, I think I need to stay with a 12" cause the maximum height my box can be is 16" so a 15" sub would be pushing it.

It's not that DD is my only option, I have tons of options, all I'd need is some D4 subs, but I don't just want the final impedance I want a well built product that has a good warranty and is dependable and will not only handle the power I have to throw at it today but the power I upgrade to tomorrow (figuratively). It's funny you say DD is an expensive option because of all the 12" subs I'd consider getting from the store here, every single one of them is more expensive than what I've been quoted for the 2512, with exception of the SA-12's. The one's I'd consider are the SSA Icon's, SoundSplinter RL-p, and the SA-12's. There's no particular size box I want, that will be determined by how much power i'm running and what the subs need. However, I'd like to keep the box within the following specs: 35w x 16h x 20d. I listen to Rap, Heavy Metal, R&B, Soul, Funk, Disco, Alternative Rock. I'm running a 3 way active setup, subs/mids/highs, so there are no amp settings that would be in play here. The settings that pertain to my subs, xover point, slope, EQ, etc., have all been adjusted to get more top end but to no avail. As long as the new sub/box/increased power setup would be louder then it's mission accomplished. I might even just stay with the one sub if I notice it's louder, at least for the time being. As for the box, this will be my first custom box build and I sured picked a tough one to learn on...sub/port firing forward and sealed off from the trunk. But I have some very capable guys on my team who are gonna give me a hand so it shouldn't be all too bad. I might even try out DD's Compact High Efficiency box with the port loading off the side of the trunk to see how that sounds and to have something to fall back on should the sub/port forward idea not work out. That's what i'm gonna do, as stated in my first post, especially if running 2400+ rms wouldn't be feasible on stock electrical. That pretty much takes care of the AQ2200 idea....actually, I didn't know my amp was strapable so I'd have just gotten another AQ1200 and strapped them. I'll pass on the Fi stuff, I think a DD 2512 on 1200rms would blow my current setup out of the water too, but I guess time will tell. I haven't gotten worked up yet, just speaking my mind the same as you did. If you insist on clogging up my thread with worthless posts like the one I replied to then I'll continue to call you out on it, so don't take what I said as me attempting to tell where you can or can't go rather as me pointing out to you that it would be more appreciated and helpful if you answered the question(s) instead of posting that nonsense.Now you're splitting hairs......I understand that the subs aren't "seeing" the full 870 rms when you take into consideration the efficiency of the amp, gain setting, impedance rise, etc., as well as the fact that music is dynamic not static. But that's getting way deeper than necessary, IMO...my comments were based on rated power of the amp, not actual numbers measured...didn't think I'd need to explain that. My electrical is just fine for my system as it stands, I rarely drop below 14.4, staying between 14.6 and 15.0 for the most part.

It falls off big time at around 44Hz and only gets worse from there. My subs suggested ported box size is anywhere from 1.5-2 cubes each. Something I didn't know at the time is that the size box you use/build should be determined, in part, by how much power you're going to run to your subs. The way I understand it is that, in general, if you're underpowering your subs then you want to go with a box on the bigger end of the scale, if you're giving them rated power then you want to go with a box that's about in the middle of the scale and if you're overpowering them then you should go with a box on the smaller end of the scale. That being said, and considering that i'm running my subs at nearly double their rated rms, I should have gone with a box that's about 1.5 cubes per sub.....my box is 2.0 cubes per, so it's too big. I'm not getting full power out of the amp because i'm running it at 2 ohms, it makes full power (as far as what it's maximum output rating is, which is 1470 watts) at 1 ohm. I can't wire these subs down to 1 ohm and even if I could it's not likely that they'd be able to handle triple their rated rms handling. So since my subs are rated at 250rms, and i'm running them at 2 ohms so the amp is putting out 870rms, that means each sub is getting 435rms....that's not almost twice their rated rms?Do you think I could get away with running a 160a H/O alt, or should I bite the bullet and go with something in the 250a range? Nobody woke me up and this ain't church so no need to preach. Besides, he had his facts wrong. If you can't come in here and answer some questions and help people out then you can stay out of my thread cause there's no need for your unhelpful and ignorant comments. That's all

No, not yet. My stock alt is 105a. I have an SVR deep cycle battery under the hood and will definitely do the Big 3 It's not loud enough...I want it louder overall, not just be able to hit the highs better. The funny thing about my current setup is that it's what was recommended to me by ID directly! I'm not going to get rid of the subs until I settle on something that i'm good with so I'll have plenty of time to experiment and what not.

If only the person was as good as the sub....

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