j-roadtatts

I went to the Petersons Automoible Museum in LA and they had some REALLY neat Caddys like the first ones from the turn of the century. Ya his comment must of went right over my head. My Fail.

Hey Brother, How is the progress coming?

Huh? That is an E46, if you look hard you can find one for $10k. $15k would buy you a very nice one. Amusing, FWD is a No-Go for me or my wife. No way, no how. I don't need understeer in the snow. I'll take a well balanced RWD ANY day of the week in inclement weather. Guess I need to look at the badge better. I will take the getting pulled felling anyday over the getting pushed. I own 3 4wd's and still drive my Honda all winter except for the very worst days. I like how I can over/understeer with the throttle and really turn with the e-brake. Huh? Why would you EVER want to understeer. The e-brake will work in any drive format. In a RWD you can turn with the throttle, with front you CANNOT. I will take the weight over the drive tires anyday. A fwd turns harder when the steering tires are also pulling, NOT just getting pushed where the weight of the vehicle is getting pushed. I have never been to MN but I can only imagine it must be pretty flat, because You won't get very far with RWD only here.(the ditch) Hmm, you really need to open your mind. By FAR the best winter car I have ever driven (outside of snow clearance) was a naturally aspirated Porsche 944. Perfect 25% weight in each corner with a nominal driver. That is ALWAYS the best way to have traction. Putting the weight over the fronts does not help you turn, nor does it help you stop, it also makes it easier to spin. The ONLY advantage of FWD is the same advantage that 4WD has that puts everyone in the ditch. From a dead stop perhaps you can accelerate faster. To me turning and stopping are MUCH more important in inclement weather. MN is flat, but not all of MN and RWD doesn't get you in the ditch not knowing how to drive does. Going off the road accelerating is pure operator error, going off because you can't stop or turn isn't. There is no way you can argue that FWD is better for either of those. Little history piece for you as well. FWD exists as it is cheaper to manufacture and for an average person they don't notice the difference. So some manufacturers choose to save money and compromise on all areas of performance. Others choose to do the opposite and refuse to cut that big ass corner. You probably drive all automatics too, but that doesn't make them better. I use the gears to slow down on ice and snow, NOT the brake's. A RWD car's ass will slide side ways a soon as the you start up a hill, a FWD will go where the tire's are pulling it. As an example Sean, When I am stuck on a snowmoble, I can have a single person pull a front ski to get me moving and or it would take several people pushing from behind. Simple Physics is the reason for FWD not cost. A FWD or AWD car will handle and corner better than a RWD anyday. Believe me brother I am the FARTHEST from close minded person you will ever meet, But I do like a good debate. A FWD corners better? I'm not believing this... Yeah and you probably think your Caddy is RWD too.LOL Yea... like totally my caddy is RWD and teh greatest thing ever! FAIL. Go look again.

Whats the plan for the new box?

Good to hear from you Brother.

This is very true, lOOk at the first Cadillac FWD Eldorado's made back in the late 70's or the Toranado.LOL. I think the debate started over which was better in the snow??? Each car has it's application in the real world though, I think we have also debated???

and less maintenance/manufacturing overhead Actually THOSE are the only reasons. Engine placement and driven wheels have nothing to do with mileage. Traction and handling in the snow is ultimately decided upon, most importantly, the tires, and the idiot behind the wheel. the reason FWD gets better gas milage is.......less weight due to less parts. I will agree knowing how to drive in snow is MOST important factor no matter what you drive.

Hey thats what I get paid to do. Not as bad as the 17 yr old that got her pretty kitty pierced a couple weeks ago, and her mom watched.

MDF is NOT acuostically dead, Just better than some of the alternatives.

I just pierced a 14 yr old girls nipples. I am amazed at the things parents let thier kids do.

FWD was not developed for performance, They where intended for better gas mileage, and better traction (in snow) .

Yummy!!!!! Kung Pao Shrimp for lunch!!!

A history lesson for you, People learned about weight to power ratio is the reason cars are built without a frame. There are AWD and RWD cars that DON"T have a FRAME. Do I need to name a few? there are a ton of different racing classes, ALOT of race cars have the engine in the back over the drive tires, Others use a spoiler for down force. They also design the front of race cars to have ALOT of down force. I agree that an AWD car will handle best. most of those cars actually have the engine midmounted, in front of the axle and behind the driver ANY car would handle best with the engine mounted in the center. As long as I still have room 4 the stereo I am game.lol.

I'm confounded by that logic. Lets make a different example (same physics). Go outside and fill a sled with wood and try to push the sled, what happen's? Now pull on the same sled, what happens? I think it has NOTHING to do with different muscles, Just the fact that the force is being applied in the most effective place. That depends on where your pushing it form as well. Did you push from the top of the wood pile? From the base of the sled? Oh when you pulled it did you use a rope and lift up on the front? Or did you keep it level with ther ground? What id your 750 lb. grandma is in the sled too?? HA HA +1 for you, I always hit the wrong button. This would be the same physics as towing a trailer. Not pushing it. We can start the sled where ever you want as long as I get to ride along. I don't know if Gma will help on this one though.

Actually it is 100% cost. Cars didn't require a frame that went FWD. FWD will NEVER corner as well as an RWD. Perhaps you know of some front drive race cars? As for the ass sliding sideways this is unrelated to which wheels are driving, but the fact that you are out of traction. If you have cars that are equally balanced (ie 25% at all corners) and you are trying to drive straight up a hill the RWD will just spin and the FWD car will torque steer causing you to go off the road. If you have an unevenly balanced car, well then it is going to handle like shit no matter what you do as that is always a bad idea. A history lesson for you, People learned about weight to power ratio is the reason cars are built without a frame. There are AWD and RWD cars that DON"T have a FRAME. Do I need to name a few? there are a ton of different racing classes, ALOT of race cars have the engine in the back over the drive tires, Others use a spoiler for down force. They also design the front of race cars to have ALOT of down force. I agree that an AWD car will handle best.

You have a hell of a driveway. I would hate that thing in winter. Amusingly about 5x a year I have to get my friends (usually their girl friends) unstuck in their FWD cars. So far no RWD has ever slid off the driveway and needed to be dug out. Torque steers a bitch. And they even have crappy cars with shitty balance putting a ton of weight on the front. Bad comparison, Operator error. How Do I know that out of all the people that drive up your driveway other than you, Even drove RWD. Concidering more cars are FWD nowadays the odds could be stacked on that one. An unloaded truck has worse weight dispersion than a FWD car.

I'm confounded by that logic. Lets make a different example (same physics). Go outside and fill a sled with wood and try to push the sled, what happen's? Now pull on the same sled, what happens? I think it has NOTHING to do with different muscles, Just the fact that the force is being applied in the most effective place.

Huh? That is an E46, if you look hard you can find one for $10k. $15k would buy you a very nice one. Amusing, FWD is a No-Go for me or my wife. No way, no how. I don't need understeer in the snow. I'll take a well balanced RWD ANY day of the week in inclement weather. Guess I need to look at the badge better. I will take the getting pulled felling anyday over the getting pushed. I own 3 4wd's and still drive my Honda all winter except for the very worst days. I like how I can over/understeer with the throttle and really turn with the e-brake. Huh? Why would you EVER want to understeer. The e-brake will work in any drive format. In a RWD you can turn with the throttle, with front you CANNOT. I will take the weight over the drive tires anyday. A fwd turns harder when the steering tires are also pulling, NOT just getting pushed where the weight of the vehicle is getting pushed. I have never been to MN but I can only imagine it must be pretty flat, because You won't get very far with RWD only here.(the ditch) Hmm, you really need to open your mind. By FAR the best winter car I have ever driven (outside of snow clearance) was a naturally aspirated Porsche 944. Perfect 25% weight in each corner with a nominal driver. That is ALWAYS the best way to have traction. Putting the weight over the fronts does not help you turn, nor does it help you stop, it also makes it easier to spin. The ONLY advantage of FWD is the same advantage that 4WD has that puts everyone in the ditch. From a dead stop perhaps you can accelerate faster. To me turning and stopping are MUCH more important in inclement weather. MN is flat, but not all of MN and RWD doesn't get you in the ditch not knowing how to drive does. Going off the road accelerating is pure operator error, going off because you can't stop or turn isn't. There is no way you can argue that FWD is better for either of those. Little history piece for you as well. FWD exists as it is cheaper to manufacture and for an average person they don't notice the difference. So some manufacturers choose to save money and compromise on all areas of performance. Others choose to do the opposite and refuse to cut that big ass corner. You probably drive all automatics too, but that doesn't make them better. I use the gears to slow down on ice and snow, NOT the brake's. A RWD car's ass will slide side ways a soon as the you start up a hill, a FWD will go where the tire's are pulling it. As an example Sean, When I am stuck on a snowmoble, I can have a single person pull a front ski to get me moving and or it would take several people pushing from behind. Simple Physics is the reason for FWD not cost. A FWD or AWD car will handle and corner better than a RWD anyday. Believe me brother I am the FARTHEST from close minded person you will ever meet, But I do like a good debate. A FWD corners better? I'm not believing this... Yeah and you probably think your Caddy is RWD too.LOL

I looked at over 300 houses before buying mine. Took a few years... I thought we were bad looking in the +50 range. =) Part of it was me interviewing realtors. Open house Sundays was a scheduled event for nearly 3 years. I learn ALOT at open houses, Realtors are WAY friendlier than mortgage brokers.