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Crap really? I guess 3 way is going to go out the window. Back to the drawing boards........what comps would you guys suggest for a pop-rock active 2 way? I bought a 12'' dc lvl 4, Idk what I'm going to tune it to though. Do you think these SEAS 8'' midbass drivers are still a good choise? http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1600 I'm planning on a 2 way active w/ the SAX100.4 They're 8 ohm drivers, 80w rms. Anyone think the SAX100.4 can get close to 80wrms@8 ohms? Do you think an SAX125.2 for the midbass and an SAX50.4 bridged for the tweeters would be better? or maybe the sax50 bridged for the midbass and the sax125 or an sax100 for the tweets? because I can get an sax50 for $150 and an sax125 for $135

Alright I think I'm going to go with a 3 way active setup. As for mounting the amps, I'm thinking of making a false floor under the rear seats (idk if there will be enough headroom for rear passengers if I do...) Or a false floor in the trunk. I'll make the floor out of fiberglass and have a system of fans to keep the air moving. Any suggestions on what I mentioned above, or some other good mounting ideas?

Do you think a 3 way active is "not worth it" ? A 2 way active will be a lot cheaper (about -400 for mid range and amp compared to a 3 way active)

Those could work well. What mounting locations? What processing? And IMO a 3 way passive that wasn't designed IN CAR isn't worth doing. If you want 3 way in your car you NEED to do it actively. Yeah I was thinking either 2 way passive or 3 way active. by "processing" do you mean an external EQ or something? All I had in plan were the SAX amps & my excelon kdc x790 headunit should I get some type of epicenter or whatever they're called? And those mid range speakers are rated 150w (idk if thats rms or peak??) and are 8 ohms...how am I going to get 150w @ 8 ohms and the midbass drivers are rated 85w rms @ 8 ohms :\ What type of setup would you recommend for these? Do I need external processing? would it be better to get something that can adjust all the crossovers, then use that and get amps that don't have functions like the SAX 100.4 does?

Whats the power handling at 6 and 8 ohms? ...I see that the SAZ3000 only puts out 800 watts at 4 ohms, which is pretty shocking!

Someone is also selling a set of rainbow components for about $120: Rainbow SLC 265 Kick Components http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=7032 the guy selling them says they're 4ohm Which would you guys recommend? Are the rainbow tweets any good? Maybe I can use the rainbow tweets, the rainbow midbass driver as a 'full range' driver, and get the 8'' seas midbass driver for lower bass? or is that a retarded idea? lol. The aim is toward pop-rock music btw. I also found a pair of CDT TW-25 tweeters for about $70, would they work well with the seas midbass and morel mid range?

I can get these on craigslist for $300 http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1600 http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8441 Sound like a good deal? What tweeter would you guys suggest with them?

Well the best price//quality mix is what I'm looking for. But cheaper is always better I'm not sure what front stage I'm going to get. A lot of things I see are 6 ohm and 8 ohm, are sundown amps compatible with 6/8 ohm speakers? Maybe I'll just go passive and make things easier.... is there THAT big of a difference in sound between active and passive?

oh, and are the multi channel SAX amps similar to the SAE amps in the respect that they're under rated? basically, am I going to really get 150w or something per channel out of the SAX 100.4 or is its rating accurate? Any efficiency testing done on the SAX series?

Trying to buy amps because your electrical isnt good, still does not help your electrical system out at all (you need to also worry about making simple upgrades to your electrical system like the Big 3). A bad electrical sytem will cause amplifiers to hot quicker, unstable voltage (more drops) and less power since you can keep your voltage high. Well I bought a cheap "140 amp" alt off of ebay for my car ($200) I've heard mazda proteges (my car) are unable to achieve more than 80 amps, due to the fact that the car's ECU regulates the voltage. So IDK....I have done the big 3 though. I've never tested my electrical...I just assume its bad lol.

whats better about them? Just better components? or more options? what extra features?

Seems like a generic brand. I'd recommend RAA mat, second skin, dynamat. I have a second skin coupon for 15% off for sale, and 24 sq ft of dynamat Xtreme for 75$ + shipping or local pickup

I haven't bought a sub yet...and I'm starting to change my mind on which sub to buy... can anyone chim in some info on the last post here: which subs are you deciding between? Well originally I was thinking a 15'' lvl 4 DC, I found a 12'' lvl 4 DC for $225 so I might go with that....But I'm starting to think that instead of getting a 225$ sub I could settle for something cheaper and put that money towards a better front stage. I really don't know what I should get........could you help me out? heres some info from another post of mine:

I'm planning to go active, not sure with what components I'll be using yet, but I'm planning on a 3 way. (would a SD e8'' be a good midbass driver?) I'm deciding between a combination of: SAX 100.4 // SAX 125.2 // SAX 50.4 (will have to be bridged) Are there any advantages/disadvantages to any of these models? better crossovers, better heat sinks, more efficient (very important for me...my electrical isn't the best) Also are they able to handle 6ohm or 8 ohm loads? Thanks <<<<<sundown for life.

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I haven't bought a sub yet...and I'm starting to change my mind on which sub to buy... can anyone chim in some info on the last post here:

I want to be able to feel the music INSIDE me! Bands like senses fail, rise against, devil wears prada, Thursday, from first to last, the used, my chemical romance, system of a down, armor for sleep, sky eats airplane, alesana, escape the fate, a day to remember, breaking benjamin, and a few lighter pop things like mayday parade, all time low, metro station, panic at the disco, etc. Those are the top bands I listen to. What kind of setup do you guys think would suit me? I have a kenwood excelon kdc x790 headunit. And a sundown SAE 1200 amp. I'm going to fiberglass new door panels and a new dash, so anything will fit. Looking to spend as little as possible, I'd put the max at $1000, but less is more. And I'm willing to buy things used. I'm starting to rethink the sub idea, maybe the DC lvl 4 is a bit overkill for my application. What do you guys think?

* I've used infinity reference coaxils running off of an eclipse EA4100 (75x4), 2 kicker CVR 12' subs running off of a sundown SAE 1200' * I'd like to spend about $300 used/ebay/craigslist/classifieds for the components (I have more money set aside for sundown amps to run them) * car = Mazda Protege 2002 Sedan * Never heard any other products, I don't seem to have any good car audio shops near me... * Musical preferences = Rock, screamo, metal, things like senses fail, a day to remember, things with a lot of fast drums/bass guitar. * Its a daily system, I'd like to be able to FEEL the vibrations resonate in my chest, I don't care how loud the bass gets as long as I can FEEL it, after thats acomplished i'd like some amazingly loud/clean midbass and highs * Originally I wanted a low budget system, which explains my kicker CVR's and infinity references. But they have left me wanting more. Right now I have JL audio vr 690 evolutions in my rear, but I'm planning on going 'active' with sundown amp(s). Are their crossovers good enough to go active with? So I'll be removing my rear speakers. What tweeters // midbass drivers would you guys recommend for me? For an upgraded sub, I've been thinking of buying a 15'' DC lvl 4 to run off my SAZ 1500 (I already have an SAZ1500). Or a sundown Z15. though I'm open to suggestoins... 400$ budget range for the sub, though less money is great too

Is there a power test for the SAE 1200? I saw one for the SAZ 1500 but I can't seem to find the SAE's. I'd like to compare the efficiencies. Instead of making a new thread... What cross over functions do the sax125.2, sax100.4, and sax50.4 have? and what are the specs on the sax50.4 when bridged? I want to have a 3-way active front stage using a combination of sundown amps, are the crossovers on the amps good enough? and....does anyone think using an 8'' sundown woofer for midbass in a custom made door pod is a good idea?...

I think I remember reading somewhere that the SAE 1200 can put out close to 1500w? Is that true? or am I thinking of the SAE.v2 ? From what people tell me, the DC lvl 4 likes 1500w rms, but is rated 1000w rms for insurance purposes. I think I'll just keep whichever one doesn't sell first. Anyone want to buy a SAZ1500 or SAE 1200 ?

Can you explain why?

I have both amps, an SAE 1200 and an SAZ 1500. the sae is in my car the saz is in the box on my couch in my living room. SAE sells for about $200 SAZ for $350 (both new not refurb) Is the SAZ worth the extra $150 ? Is the SAE more 'power hungry' than the SAZ? I think I may sell the SAZ, because I just got it new and I might be able to get more for it. I've already been using the SAE for a few months and it has a few hairline scratches on the top of it.

So anyone want to buy a like new SAZ 1500? 10/10 cosmetic 10/10 mech

I have a pair of 6x9 JL evolution vr690ci coaxials, Should I custom fit them into my door as a bidbass driver? or did you mean something else when you said 'full range driver'. as a 'general recommendation', your saying I should probably put the tweeter next to the midbass driver in the door and face it toward me? Where do people usually put them when they face them toward the window shield? do you think a sundown amp is not 'sufficient' enough to go active with? My headunit has some crossovers on it, should I use the hu crossover AND the amp's crossovers ? or is it a one or the other type thing like EQ (i've heard you should only boost EQ options with 1 source, not have bass boost on hu, and amp etc)

You guys mean to tell me that 2000w of sub power will overwhelm any configuration of front stage speakers??? That can't be possible.... Worst case scenario you could have several sets of tweeters to balance it out, but I think there must be something that can keep up with a substage like this. tweeters require a lot less power than subs to reach higher DB, so its not like your going to need 2000w of tweeters