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i dont feel the need to ! as i can tell from the poll everyone agrees. as a member of the SPL group i feel that someone needed to point out that it gets a lil tiring having the SQ group nagging about us wanting to be loud. why cant SQ be 150db + for daily... ?

Bro Please lets not do the JL thing agine... PLEASE... you asked if i had lisen to an SQ setup... Focal & Jl are not even in the same class, but please understand Iv never lisen to a JL setup that was worth what was paid for it... as compaired to the Focal...

I'm just curious, have you heard any SQ competition vehicles or maybe a demo room at a high-end audio store? You're free to believe whatever you want, but I'm just curious what your reference is. Oh God Yess i got to sit in more than a few SQ setups, that were done by people that really know what there doing Todd Zier for example, wow... that dude is cool, every car / truck he does is SQ for real and i loved the VW that had all Focal mids / highs / sub with Audison amps !!! completlly overwelmingly CLEAR... i try to get as close to that as i can but as we all know i lean towards the SPL Monster...

you do know during the week i fade the sub down to blend in with the rest of the music, that is untill someone pulls up along side blasting "i got bit@hs i got H@es" then i have the killer Knock drowned him OUT..

during the week i would like to think i had something that resembled SQ even though on the wekends i am an SPL Warrior i am not accusing anyone directlly i am trying to point out that there are better ways to get your point across. id have to say there are a few even handed posters on this forum like Denim, and a few others that lead the exampel of being nice...

not !!! just a ripple in the overwellming Tusnami of SQ guys with additudes bashing the SPL guys... the i.e. i was reffering to is every thread for the last 2 yrs ! anyone posting i have a Killer quad sub setup getts hacked down by the Sq crowd

i never said you have personally attacked anyone... im reffering to people that use words like Stuid, Idiot, Moron etc etc etc to attack a nothers POV

Wow guys ! please calm down... all im trying to point out is it has become a common trend, that when anyone post i.e. i have 4 15" and need a recomendation on a set of comps''' out come the lame comments i.e. well if all you want to do is make noise !!! and well just tyrn it down !!! why not just point out a good set of comps and gentlly nudge someone over to your point of view without calling them an IDIOT. by personally attacking someone that has a different point of view that yours is the sign of a weak mind. and only validates my point. if someone wanted to do SPL with an 8" sub in a sealed box ! i would not START off by personaly attacking there choice, you catch more flys with sugar than you will with vinigar M5/// when i came to you for addvice about trying to go a lil SQ, i welcomed your addvice and did as much as i understood. all i am trying to get across is sometimes it gets old with the lame comments about our choice of lisenning setups...

i like your pov you've always seemed fair I think you should do the box 6cf or 7cf with a Huge port FTW i.e. >>> im a bigg fan of single 15" setups. im just as loud as guys with 4x 15" setups...

according to the Hype iv seen on the net it should fair well but i have to say the test that were shown in the videos were done by a bias co. there fore i will have to see 1 go live before giving any comment, or an opinion! it does look promising !!! looks as though it will out handle a lot of Beefy subs if the hype holds true and given Orion's track record, id say i look forward to getting the chance to view it for myself. but the SQ boys are going to rant its not a good SQ sub, and i think they may have a valid point but then you don't buy a Draggster to go get beer

Wow i learned something new today oh and to be fair i did hear a system last night with 2x JL W7 subs in a Hummer boxs were JL as well, about 3cf per box with 2x JL 1000/1 amps and he was as loud as my 1x 15" Pap Moab. but he had the boxs stacked in a Pacman shape and had a lil cancellation, but overall was impressed that he was Producing Bass Notes... the subs were NOT distorting and overall not bad ! there is always a first time for everything guess i just had to keep an open mind & be in the right place @ the right time...

pics too come later plan on getting a 2nd 1 asap

what are the pros & cons of an underhung sub please

enuff Blablabla Taddow how ya like me Now... will post #s after show !!!

you right i agree i might have a very slanted view becuse i havent had the chance to hear them properlly installed

Bro please give it a rest... if you like it - I LOVE IT... there are other things i dislike as well. Nike shoes brussell sprouts hamburgers cooked med rare dress shoes with tassells sushi / or anything that is Fish Tommy Hilfiger pink shirts on Men religious fanatics 1000 Island dressing cold weather chevy trucks organic labled food beer / i get really sick movies with Patric Swazie or Tom Hanks or Jim Carie CSI the tv show Talk shows other than Jerry Springer fancy restaurents 2nd hand cigerett smoke is it posaiable i am just unforutnate enuff to have never come across a properlly installed JL sub ? and based my oppinion on my experance! lets get back to the subject please

Thank you... i wish i could express myself the way you guys do you are correct !!! in every aspect. im sorry and do offer appolligys to anyone and everyone that was offended by my statements about JL...

poor quality product. remember these are my opnions based on what i have had experiance with. i understand you seen a few more installs and im sure whoever built them took great care to make sure it was perfect. sorry my oppinion seems to piss you off. why dont you offer me an address in the Dallas / Ft Worth TX area where i can go and see a properlly installed JL sub ? Bro you know i all ready gave in way keep kicking a dead dog?

as stated in the previous post, i will just agree that i am wrong, and somewhere in the Universe someone got a JL sub that works & sounds good.

OMG that is what i said that got my theeth kicked in... well sorta of anyway, well that is what i was trying to say anyway...

i like it when someone has a plan

i can see 2 x 15" in a Honda CVR but where are you going to fit 17+cf box in that for 4 x 15" ??? much less kill your suspention on the thing ? thats a LOT of WEIGHT

i did read your post.. i give up yall win. im not going to try and argue with you. im sure somewhere out there that someone has 1 of those subs and it sounds great to them. all i was pointing out is i have never been so fortunate as to hear it for myself. please stop with the personal attacks ! i dont call you names or make rude statements about your opinion. it does not prove your point.

so let me get this stright, make sure i understand correctlly my Opinion is based on the FACT that EVERY sub iv seen and lisend to made by JL was Blown or broken. not 1 was funcutioning somehow makes me the village idiot, and every installer & shop in the Dallas / Ft Worth area that sales JL audio Incompetent morons Granted i have never seen or lisen to the W6 but as a rule of thumb your suggesting that the SS T4 subs that i Pounded on Dailly for 3 yrs, in the lanes & for Daily are somehow inferior to a product that iv not been fortunate enuff to hear in a working state... well for the sake of argument ill Concede ! your right im insane for thinking a product should work for more than a day be just a lil more durable, so well lump it under SQ and hide the fact that it can not preform with more than a 100watts... yall win. ill just agree with yall

Guys cool down ! im not on a soap box to hang JL audio. i was just pointing out the facts... i.e. ( LAST NIGHT ) guy comes into the shop with a bad sounding set of subs in a SEALED downfireing box in the back of an SUV we flip the box over and what do i see ??? common take a guess ??? 2x JL W3 12" 1 sub has a piece the surround blowen out and the other had a broken tencel lead...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was a Lousy 600watt mono block that killer them all was custom installed DAmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i did not have a camera or i with show you that JL = you would not believe me but the guy was PISSED ! he bought it the day before... as in they lasted 1 day............... and he paid a pretty penny to have it all Professionaly installed Woooooooooooooooo he was sick when i turned on my system and set off car alarms in the parking lot across the street... a 1/2 block away yall sound like yall own stock in that JL Audio i personally think attacking me is not going to prove your point. JL = that is MY OPINION.