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Last time i talked to SteveMead, he had one left and he is local.

That has to be epic

If I were to go IB and had to buy new drivers, FI IB3 would be my first choice, 2nd choice the Parts Express Dayton 15" IB subwoofer...

thank you alton. you've clarified the situation completely. i am willing to learn, but it's hard to when everyone's just saying that was wrong, when it wasn't to me. i love to experiment and if that means i have to build 10 enclosures before i get it right, then so be it. i don't feel modeling software will deliver what i want as i can't hear it first hand. it just tells me that it's wrong or what have you. i like to experience first hand, and am not afraid to work and rebuild no matter what. i realize that software would make that job easier, and i would only have to tweak the small things in order to achieve my goal. i have observed many designs I've found in posts and what not where people have used software, and others have made suggestions until it was "right". therefore, i feel comfortable in the design that I've settled on, and am now just experimenting with the port length. i have read the specs for the sub that I'm getting, I've also conversed with someone from fi personally to attain the correct dimensions and specifications for this sub. i don't feel I'm going blindly as i have so much in the past. pmuerika, I'm not doing a 4th order anymore. i stated that in my second post. m5, i don't feel I'm defending illogical thinking as I've been happy with the outcome of everything I've built. illogical thinking would be if i did ignore everything that everyone was saying and plead that i am right and you are wrong. I've never said that any of you where wrong, i stated that I've been happy with what I've done, so that's not wrong to me. of course there's always more to learn, and i am taking everything into consideration but that's not gonna stop me from experimenting. i have the correct port length built into this box @ 32hz, I'm adding another section to it to see how it sounds. so if it's not what i want or like, then I'll remove it and have a box that is exact to specs. the sub is located at the opposite side of the port, firing at a 45° angle. should sound good, i would think as like I've said i seen boxes like this that people where asking about and other more knowledgeable people have replied positively that it was good. and they deaigned theirs with software, and i have correct air space and everything. so i have learned from this. and again i appreciate everyone's help. especially you aston, you are a very intelligent person, thank you.

dude, I've seen alot of your posts and you just follow behind the popular guys and agree with them. so yeah, i won't feed the trolls!

Your posts say that you don't. VERY clearly.dude, i may not have a technical knowledge such as yourself. as you seem to know alot about this. what I'm wanting to know now is, how do you know what won't work if you've never tried it? is it just because your learnings say different, or because an app says that it won't work? i enjoy learning more when I'm trying different things. i don't understand how let's say a 12 can be any better than what I've gotten out of them. i could almost flip a quarter on the roof of my vw fox with 1 12 in a bandpass in the trunk, I'd say that's pretty good and i don't see how it could be any harder except with more power as that one only had around 400watts goin to it. it was a 600rms sub if i remember correctly. like I've said, the bottom line is that I've never had a sub box that didn't sound good or hit hard. and I'm not ignorant to the potential of subs, i know when a sub isn't reaching it's full potential. so how could they be better if they are hitting hard and sounding good? by making sure they utilize the exact air space? I'm sure they where though, or else they wouldn't have sounded good, right? granted, i do not know as much as you about the correct spec building method, but i know how to measure a box and say, well that's 4cubes it's too much and back it down. I'm not just blindly throwing pieces of wood in a pile, squirting glue all over it and callin it a box! i do add some screws too! seriously though, if i make the port longer then it calls for, what's gonna happen exactly with the sound or feel of the bass? am i going to diminish the quality or the feel of it? i assumed it would sustain the notes longer. again this is me experimenting and just because you say it's not good isn't going to stop me from trying. you can build boxes to spec all day long and assume that something different isn't going to be good. but until you try and see for yourself, it's always just an assumption.

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