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Ascendant Audio Carbon Fiber Mids Hey there. I figured I would make this thread to clear some info up, since these questions seem to come up a lot about these. I received mine in the mail today and started to take pictures and measure right away. If you want to know anything else that I don't state about them, let me know and I will do my best to answer them. 1.) What size are they? The outer diameter of the whole driver is JUST under 7", but that may be my tape measure. The mounting ring is 1/2" wide, which leaves 6" for cone+surround. Surround is another ~1/2" so the cone is ~5" from the inside of the surround to the other side. 2.) What's the mounting depth? From the bottom of the magnet to the top of the frame it is JUST under 3.5". The mounting plate is ~3/16". 3.) What is the voice coil resistance? The carbon fiber mids are rated at 4 ohm, each. I don't know if it's just my meter or what but when I measured this they were down to about 2 - 2.5 ohm. I think it was coincidence I happened to take the picture right at 3.9 ohm. 4.) What's a good frequency range? That's going to depend on install a bit, but I see them run around 60-2500 (ish) mostly, so that's where ill start my setting at. We will see when I get them installed. 5.) How much do these run? You need to contact a dealer to get some of these, or even a price quote. You can go HERE to contact them and find a dealer. I bought mine from SSA user BKOLF04. You can also pm him and he can tell you if there is a closer dealer to you or not. Let me know what else you want to be measured or what not. Video of when I still had these.

this is my build log for my Camry, hope you enjoy it. you may want to open this page and come back to it in ~5 min. 15" FI Q @ 1600 watts box by DL Designz 2.8^3ft @ 32hz saz-3000D @2 ohms sax-100.2 @4 ohms front stage - polk momo's 1/0 pos and neg runs to the back. a crap ton of sound deading from secondskin. 143DB sealed on the windshield.

Yeah it's definitely better in ported, I just know sealed the requirements are ridiculously small. G0 P0rt3d = Max debeez

Big 3 helps lower voltage drop, but it doesn't magically increase the alternators amperage rating. Not really. Most stock alts make just enough power to run your lights, ecu, ac, and charge your battery, adding say a 1000watt monoblock with awesome efficiency your looking at an additional ~70amps... Expect bad voltage drop, and increased heat & stress on amp... Bad combination.

I would do rear firing. I did this type of enclosure in a friends Nissan Maxima and it sounds excellent. Find the irritating rattles and add some SDS products.

Bad assumption. Some LOC's are better than some headunits and of course no one has asked, perhaps her headunit already has flat outs. Doubt it, but possible depending on what stereo it has. i know nothing of who oe's the Hyundai stuff though so it maybe strange.

I think an SA 12 would be the best.. Smaller box sizes will take up less cargo area.. be fairly loud and sound very good. LOC's are... Okay at best even a budget HU would be better than a LOC something like This headunit would be a good budget one... as for wiring harness and dash kit you'll need are these Dashkit and Wiring Harness. So all together it's not too expensive.. does she have premium sound or anything else like that? And if you order through sonicelectronix they're free!

Twice as loud = 10dB increase (as far as I know) Twice the power = 3dB increase Hearing threshold = ~1dB 3db is actually twice the acoustic power, which is technically "twice as loud". I stand corrected then

150+ is damn loud. I built a system in a Dodge Durango a few years back with the original Adire Tempests. It did over 150, at the headrest, (none of that kick panel or windshield bs.... mic'd what your head felt) on music.... On a TL. I was retarded loud to drive around and listen to that crap..... I could stand it for about a minute or so... By the way, this crap is horrible for your hearing.. lol...

If she wants to keep to stock the easiest thing to do is get an LOC, they aren't bad if you get a good one and set it up right

160 db is pretty hard to break in a normal install. You have to do severe vehicular modifications to get above that, and most of the time that renders the vehicle undriveable. So 156 is pretty close to as loud as you can get in a typical install. It's somewhat easy to get to 140. Almost any decent 12-15 in a ported box will be around there. But each db above that is harder to attain.

Twice as loud = 10dB increase (as far as I know) Twice the power = 3dB increase Hearing threshold = ~1dB 3db is actually twice the acoustic power, which is technically "twice as loud". Human hearing is just very insensitive, so it takes a 6db-10db difference (depending on frequency, etc) for our ears to recognize it as being double the volume or twice as loud.

I started out today by pulling out everything in the back of the truck. Looks lonely, doesn't it. I cut all the wiring to lengths I needed for the final equipment, cleaned up a bit and put the back plastic panel back in. This is the brain for the AV8533 and a SHITTON of wires, and then some more wires. I only need 5 of the 30 or so and there about 20-25 foot long. I pulled the old B-stock 300/2 and replaced it with my A-stock 300/2. I also mounted it right side up since the setting were already dialed in. I painted everything that could be seen with the door panel on black. A little double sided foam tape so nothing rattles on the back of the 125.2. I cut 2" off the frame to make room for the plastic back panel. I mounted the 125.2 and put the frame back in the truck. I covered a piece of mdf with some leftover black suede since I don't have the 4-sa-8's in the truck and the board can be seen. I reinstalled the front cover with fans. This is my 88120 TI dvc in a very old box. So old that at home depot it was called MDF not particle board. I will rebuild this box in the spring and possibly use two 88120 TI dvc to make use of the saz2000d potential, dual 4 ohm coils. I'm sure it doesn't compare to today's measurements, but at a local SPL event, I supposedly scored a 140.1 with one of these in a 4.0 c.f. box tuned to 45 hz. in the back of the 93 cobra powered by a JL 1000/1. I was beaten in the first round by a gut who's last name was Thornbird, sponsored by Rockford Fosgate, if I remember correctly. He, his wife, had a 15w3 and scored a 140.6. She won the class I was in. The classes were done by cone area. I had this inner pocket hot glued on for test fitting, it was o.k. so I put it back on with this epoxy I had left over from the sa-8's Installed and ready for the door. Some pics of the drivers side door. My original plan for the pods was to put some bondo on the and sand them down, but after a little bit of sanding with a 60 grit flapper wheel, they looked pretty good so I left them as is. They don't fit as tight as they did the other day, but they fit pretty good. I bought the same size screws as I already had for the 88's which were too big to begin with so I drilled and countersunk the holes for a flush fit. I used two 1/4-20 bolts to attach each pod to the door panel and added some poly-fil to them. I was going to use some gray vinyl to wrap the pods that I know I had, but I couldn't find it anywhere. The only stuff the local shops had was marine backed vinyl and i hate that stuff, so i used some left over gray suede instead. I didn't get the pics you probably want to see, the seam, it's on the underside. I did the best I could, they look pretty good, but not great. I may end up redoing these in vinyl, I'm not sure. What do you guys think? I took some pics of the Eclipse AV 8533. I'm not sure I want to keep it, but it serves the purpose for now. This unit is weird, You have to choose between Dolby Pro-logic II stereo, movie, 4 channel stereo, and off. It's more like a HT surround system then a car stereo. It will play pretty much everything including DVD-Audio, which is the reason I bought it way back when. It states there's a Pro mode that changes the rca outputs from front/rear/sub to high/mid/low, but I haven't messed with the unit long enough to find it. I'll let you know. The settings screen. The sound setup screen Speaker setting screen. Small/Large/None. Time alignment. It has up to 10ms. on each speaker and level adjustment. The parametric equalizer, 25 bands to choose from, 5 you can adjust. It has 3 "q" setting for each band and 6 user presets. It also came with a mic and will auto tune, I haven't used this yet. I got everything finished up today around 6:00pm. I fired it up, delayed the drivers side 88 1.4 ms. and the drivers side sls's .9 ms.. I turned the sub off and cranked it up!! Holy Crap it sounds great!!! :rockwoot: :rockwoot: :rockwoot: I still have allot of tuning to do and I need to get the heat gun out. The upper sls's have enough excursion to make contact with the stock speaker grill. I thought this could be a problem. I figure with the heat gun I can make enough clearance for them. I have to say the FR88's sound very good, not harsh or in my face. The SLS's sound great and definitely can move some air. I have the sub/infrasonic filter set to ~50 hertz at the moment and they shake the mirror and my pants something fierce. These things are little beasts, clean and tight with anything I've thrown at them so far. I'm very happy with this setup already. It's worlds better than the components I had before. I'll continue to adjust everything and get the sub integrated as I go, but I could almost live without it if necessary. I wish I could here some competition quality setups so I had a frame of reference/comparison. A big Thanks to everyone who that helped me in my mid bass thread and those who kept me going with the awesome compliments during the build, You guys rock!!! i just thought I'd throw some BOOBS in there for good measure!

You suck at math. That's actually 2^4 x louder which would be 16X not 5X

Twice as loud = 10dB increase (as far as I know) Twice the power = 3dB increase Hearing threshold = ~1dB

I see I guess what I need is somebody to give me a demo of 140 and then 155db to clearly experience the difference myself. Sucks to know in south FL, its been nearly impossible to find somebody with that amount of bass. Your just not in the bass scene down there, Florida has some of the loudest vehicles. Start going to shows and what not, thats a way to hear real bass (over 150dbs) compared to novice bass most of us on here have .

Here we go again, day....whatever. I played pierce lake golf course around Ann Arbor, yesterday with my buddy. It was so windy I was loosing 40+ yards into the wind and gaining about the same with it. I've never played in hurricane "like" conditions before, the pro's at St. Andrews can have it. My ball was getting blown away before on the green before I could put it. Have you ever had to adjust for the wind when putting? Sorry, you aren't reading this for golf stories. On to today's progress. It's getting cold, I don't think it got above the low 40's today windy as hell and drizzling on and off all day. I had the 88's pods with one coat of resin over polishing cloth ready for me to start on this morning. I cut the cloth off the openings. I removed the temporary wood from both before glassing the inside with mat. I have ~4 layers all around the inside, should be plenty for the FR88's. I kept rolling them to keep the excess resin even as I could, but I got busy on the doors and well....... This is the pass. door, with a big friggin hole in it. That's a 6-1/2" sds for reference. How do you think this will sound? I had to cut and flip the window track mount to make clearance for the enclosure. I grabbed the pass. enclosure and started to deaden it. I had to get the heat gun out to warm it up so the P-n-S would stick to it, this took a while. I ran some wire for the sls's and the 88's while I still could and installed the enclosure. I placed some sound barrier over the holes and the rest of the inner door panel. Test fitting the door panel and marking it so I can trim the pocket around the speaker. A view down into the pocket. View into the stock speaker location. Some batting I had left over. Stuffing the enclosure. The SLS's in their new home. Inner pocket. Trimmed with thin snips. I will probably put some speaker grill cloth over this opening before someone puts something in the pocket and destroys the sls's. Pocket installed on door and panel installed. I sprayed everything visible with black paint, but I must not have taken any pics of it. View down into the pocket. From the drivers seat. I moved over to the drivers side. Once again the victim about to be violated and it knows nothing. You can see the original location for the window track mounting bolt in this picture. It's below the hole, to the right and just below the wiring harness. There's a dirt ring around the original slot. Another hole. You can see the window track bracket below the harness in the above pic and this is the bracket. I cut and flipped the mounting point and drilled a new hole for it. The gold colored bolt to the left of the lower speaker hole is the relocated track bolt. Drivers side enclosure installed. Poly-fil again. The other 2 sls's in their new home. I was cold, tired and had enough for today. I still need to track down a noise issue with the head unit power wiring, mount the sax 125.2 and cover the FR88 pods. I should have this wrapped up tomorrow, if not early Saturday.

Sefugi, I don't know where to even start. I have looked at this build more than once when you were just getting started, my fault for not subscribing to it then. Wow, my head hurts from a big face palm. There's just not enough time to see everything all the time. I see you have another log going on now and I assure you I'll be subscribed after this post. I just read through all 43 pages, my time was not wasted. Determination, dedication, persistence and love for your family and your hobbies/passions are the best words I can come up with at the moment after reading this thread. I've taken on some big projects in my time, whether at work or at home, but none as big as this and done in a two car garage by a father and his son. I must admit that this car is not my style, but that doesn't matter, you and your son built the car you wanted or he wanted and that is what matters most. Congrats on a job extremely well done!! Detail is the thing that sets most o.k. things from over the top things and your project is over the top, Sirs I commend you both. Whether you realize it or not this is the type of build that inspires us all to achieve greater things. You and your son have gone above and outside the norm. in this build, I can only imagine the amount if time you both have in wiring alone, outside of the paint work. It's very easy to kill days on wiring that nobody will ever see, except in a log like this. I'm quite certain I can speak for all of us at SSA, Projects like this will inspire us all to achieve, desire and want to do better in all future endeavors. Thank you and keep fueling the passion!!

Ported has been a preference due to efficiency, but you might want to try the optimal sealed enclosure: http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/index.php/technical/icon-box-designs/icon-12-optimal-sealed.html or the smaller ported if you want to make the leap to ported: http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/index.php/technical/icon-box-designs/icon-12q-small-ported.html. I usually tend to suggest to some people with your similar preferences to go optimal sealed and then if after some time in that enclosure they feel they want more output, jump to the smaller ported. Thanks for the nice feedback on the Icon.