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Sundown Fans, We have updated our warranty policy to better serve our customers. We already have DOUBLE the warranty period of most car audio companies (2 years vs. 1 year) but we wanted to make it even better. I will copy the entire new warranty text into this post but these are the highlights: 1) ANY return will issued a prepaid FedEx label billed to our account. 2) This means warranty AND non-warranty returns. 3) If your items is *COVERED* by your 2-year warranty you are liable for ZERO shipping costs -- we cover it BOTH ways now. 4) If your item is *NOT COVERED* you still pay shipping both ways BUT you get to take advantage of OUR shipping discount rather than paying retail shipping prices to get your item to us. This can be a huge savings... seeing the ridiculous retail rates on return packages sent in to us really drove me to this idea. 5) I have further spelled out our "5-Year Discounted Replacement" plan. It seems not many people know about this feature of our warranty. I suggest taking a look. Basically... any time you go through an RMA with us you have the chance to upgrade and/or change to another item if it better suits your needs. If you are a customer we want to keep you a customer! ------------------------- NEW FULL WARRANTY TEXT ------------------------- 2 Year Limited Warranty Updated February 2017 AMPLIFIER WARRANTY INFORMATION: Your new Sundown Audio amplifier is covered by a 2-Year limited warranty if purchased from an authorized Sundown Audio dealer. This warranty does not cover improper installation, accidental damage, misuse, abuse, improper wiring, operation of unit outside of listed specifications, or any product that has been modified or repaired by anyone other than Sundown Audio. Your warranty covers defects in materials and/or workmanship ONLY and is not an insurance policy. The warranty only covers the original owner of the amplifier. All warranty returns must be accompanied by the original sales invoice or receipt. You must contact us to request an RMA number prior to sending any returns via the RMA request form on our web-site. During the RMA number process we will generate a pre-paid FedEx label for your return. If your amplifier is covered under warranty shipping both ways will be at no cost to you – if your amplifier is replaced/repaired outside of warranty or if no defect is found and your product must be return to you shipping both ways will be billed to you. At the sole discretion of Sundown Audio your amplifier will be either repaired or replaced when it is being covered under warranty. In the event of shipping damage due to improper packaging on products being returned to Sundown Audio the customer is liable for the cost of all damages, necessary repairs, or replacement. Be sure to properly pack your return! Sundown Audio also offers a 5-Year “discounted replacement” policy on all of our amplifiers. We are so certain of the quality of our equipment that even if you are at fault for causing damage to your amplifier we will offer you a new unit at a reduced cost for a full 5-years from your purchase date. Contact us via our RMA form to take advantage of this offer. This offer applies only to the original purchaser of the unit and is not transferable. As is the case with standard warranty claims the return must be sent with a copy of the original invoice or receipt. In no event will Sundown Audio be liable for incidental, consequential, or other damages resulting from the use of this product, this includes but is not limited to, damage of hearing, property or person, damage based upon inconvenience or on loss of use of the product, and to the extent permitted by law, damages for personal injury. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may have other rights, which vary from state to state. This warranty applies only to products sold and used in the United States of America. In all other countries please contact your local distributor. SUBWOOFER / LOUDSPEAKER WARRANTY INFORMATION: Your new Sundown Audio subwoofer is covered by a 2-Year limited warranty if purchased from an authorized Sundown Audio dealer. This warranty does not cover improper installation, accidental damage, misuse, abuse, improper wiring, operation of unit outside of listed specifications, or any product that has been modified or repaired by anyone other than Sundown Audio. This warranty also does not cover burnt voice coils or other damage from excessive power, improper installation, improper enclosure, etc. Your warranty covers defects in materials and/or workmanship ONLY and is not an insurance policy. Warranty on subwoofers and loudspeakers only applies to the original owner of the product. All warranty returns must be accompanied by the original sales invoice or receipt. You must contact us to request an RMA number prior to sending any returns via the RMA request form on our web-site. During the RMA number process we will generate a pre-paid FedEx label for your return. If your speaker is covered under warranty shipping both ways will be at no cost to you – if your speaker is replaced/repaired outside of warranty or if no defect is found and your product must be return to you shipping both ways will be billed to you. At the sole discretion of Sundown Audio your speaker will be either repaired or replaced when it is being covered under warranty. In the event of shipping damage due to improper packaging on products being returned to Sundown Audio the customer is liable for the cost of all damages, necessary repairs, or replacement. Be sure to properly pack your return! Sundown Audio also offers a 5-Year “discounted replacement” policy on all of our speakers. We are so certain of the quality of our equipment that even if you are at fault for causing damage to your speaker we will offer you a new unit at a reduced cost for a full 5-years from your purchase date. Contact us via our RMA form to take advantage of this offer. This offer applies only to the original purchaser of the unit and is not transferable. As is the case with standard warranty claims the return must be sent with a copy of the original invoice or receipt. In no event will Sundown Audio be liable for incidental, consequential, or other damages resulting from the use of this product, this includes but is not limited to, damage of hearing, property or person, damage based upon inconvenience or on loss of use of the product, and to the extent permitted by law, damages for personal injury. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may have other rights, which vary from state to state. This warranty applies to products sold and used in the United States of America. In all other countries please contact your local distributor. ---------- During any RMA process (warranty or non-warranty) we will offer the customer an opportunity to upgrade and/or exchange to a different model. This is part of the 5-Year “discounted replacement” plan – meaning it is not limited to exchanging for the same product. Depending on what exchange is taking place there may be additional charges. These charges can be calculated by our RMA staff after we receive your return. This is yet another way that Sundown Audio is determined to ensure the satisfaction of our customers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNuOyo6nMwk Made a quick video last week. Also my first test on my new camcorder high-speed mode. The woofers motion looks alot more like real life.

MODEL -- RE-CONE Price -- FRAME Price X-6.5SW -- $40.00 -- NA (Frame Not Available) ** Single 4 ohm Coil ** v.2 soft parts -- fits v.1 or v.2 models X-8 -- $55.00 -- $15.00 (D2 or D4 coil) ** Options from other X series do not apply ** We can add an additional spider layer for $10 extra EACH layer. X v.1 / v.2 Pricing is the Same -- We do need to know which one you have, though: * We will by DEFAULT use the Mega-Roll v.2 & Brown Spider if you do not specify (v.2 Spec). X-10 -- $115.00 -- $42.00 X-12 -- $120.00 -- $48.00 X-15 -- $130.00 -- $72.00 X-18 (6-Spoke) -- $140.00 -- $50.00 X-18 (New Frame) -- $150.00 -- $95.00 (**) * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter; the $50 frame price includes this adapter * D2 and D4 Coils Available (CCAW Round Wire) * Add $20.00 for NS v.3 coil option (D1 or D2) * Any X Series (v.1 or v.2) equipped with the Mega-Roll v.2 surround will use a softer spider of 3-layers that is light brownish in color. ** Any X-18 built with the new 18" frame ALSO gets an automatic upgrade to NS v.3 coil. For the Z v.4 we need to know Rev.1 or Rev.2 spec soft parts (Rev.1 has original Mega-Roll / Yellow Spider -- Rev.2 has Mega-Roll v.2 / Black Spider) -- Pricing is the same : * We will by DEFAULT use the Mega-Roll v.2 & Black Spider if you do not specify. Z v.4 or v.5 10 -- $125.00 -- $42.00 Z v.4 or v.5 12 -- $130.00 -- $48.00 Z v.4 or v.5 15 -- $140.00 -- $72.00 Z v.4 18 (6-Spoke) -- $150.00 -- $50.00 Z v.4 or v.5 18 (New Frame) -- $160.00 -- $95.00 * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter; the $50 frame price includes this adapter * D1 and D2 Coils Available * Softer X Spider Available - NO EXTRA CHARGE * Add $10.00 for NS v.3 RED Spider * Add $20.00 for NS v.2 Coil (v.3 does NOT work) * Any Z v.4 series (Rev.1 or Rev.2) equipped with the Mega-Roll v.2 surround will use a softer spider of 4-layers that is black in color. Originally the NS v.3 had the Mega-Roll v.1 & Red Spider -- that is no longer default. * All NS v.3 drop-ins will default to Mega-Roll v.2 & Red Spider if you do not specify -- we need you to SPECIFY if you want the old Mega-Roll v.1 surround. STOCK CONFIGURATION NS v.3 10 -- $135.00 -- $42.00 NS v.3 12 -- $140.00 -- $48.00 NS v.3 15 -- $150.00 -- $72.00 NS v.3 18 (New Frame) -- $170 -- $95.00 * D1 or D2 Coils Available * Softer X or Z v.4 spiders available -- NO EXTRA CHARGE * The standard Red spider pack is used for any NS v.3 with Mega-Roll v.1 or v.2 surround. ---------- TEAM 12" -- $170.00 --$48.00 TEAM 15" -- $180.00 -- $72.00 TEAM 18" -- $215.00 -- $95.00 ** Dual 1.4 , 0.7 , and 0.5 DCR Coils Available ** Built stock with Mega-Roll v.2 surround and 4-layer black linear spider pack ---------- ALL NEW PLATFORM SUBS : ** SPL Cone/Surround Option = $0.00 Extra for 10/12/15/18 (18" on 6-spoke) ** SPL Cone/Surround Option = $10.00 Extra for 18" on New Frame ** SPL Surround is MUCH stiffer - we suggest a black or brown spider. ** SPL Spider Option = $20.00 Extra for 3-layer (standard) ** Add $10.00 for each additional spider layer ** The spider OD will be reduced to the next smaller size (12s get 8 3/8", 15s get 9.25", and 18s get 9.25") when using 3 or more layers. ** The 10” models can only be made with up to 2-layers of the 8 3/8” SPL spider pack. *** NEW : You can add a CARBON FIBER dust cap for $60.00 additional on ANY new platform drop-in kit. It will come blank without a logo.

MAJOR UPDATE (11-3-16): Nearly all pricing has changed. Also as of THIS MONTH our drop-in lead time has been reduced to 1-2 weeks on average for STOCK kits. Customized kits may be longer. ---------- To order a STOCK drop-in e-mail [email protected] To order a CUSTOM drop-in e-mail [email protected] To reduce back-and-forth e-mails ALWAYS include the following : 1) What you are ordering -- Model, Coil Configuration, Etc. 2) If you already have a basket or not; please check below for any special notes. 3) If you need ANY custom options please specify up front. 4) !!! YOUR ADDRESS AND NAME !!! 5) A picture of what you have goes a long way to be SURE we are talking about the same thing. 6) When you send payment include ALL details of your drop-in on the notes(model, size, coil configuration, options, etc) IT WILL TAKE, ON AVERAGE, 1-2 weeks for a built item like a drop-in to be completed. It may take longer depending on how busy our build department is and/or if all of the parts are currently in stock -- please keep this in mind. Updates will NOT be sent along the way -- an update will occur when the product is shipped. You can e-mail us to check on the status, although, an exact completion time may not be available you make sure we received payment & it's in the works. ---------- WE CANNOT WARRANTY DIY RE-CONE ASSEMBLY ISSUES. If you are not 100% sure about re-coning the driver yourself SEND IT IN to us. We can ONLY stand behind labor that we perform. Manufacturing defects in the kit itself are of course our responsibility but installation is 100% the customer responsibility. MAKE SURE to check your re-cone BEFORE installing it for complete accuracy. This includes using a DMM to make sure you received the correct voice coil configuration. As this is a DIY process everyone performing a drop-in should have access to a multi-meter. If there is a mistake on the kit we need to know BEFORE you glue it all in place!!! Once the kit is glued into place we will not be be liable for any errors in it's construction. CHECK IT OVER FIRST. If it is not correct we will issue a call tag for it and build you the correct kit for you ASAP. Also... any CHANGES to a drop-in order must be done in the form of a new order so that ALL of your details are IN WRITING on the payment slip from Paypal. There will be absolutely NO changes to drop-in orders on the phone! All changes & drop-in orders must be in writing. ---------- This thread over-rides any prior quotes or costs. These prices are the same for everyone; Team, dealer, customer, etc. All costs + SH charges. ---------- KITS DO NOT include shims or glue. White paper trimmed / stacked to spec works perfectly for shimming -- use enough where it is snug but not so tight you can barely get the coil in the gap. For glue we suggest Loc-Tite 5-minute epoxy with mixing tubes to glue the spider to the frame (MAKE SURE to sand it first) and we suggest E6000 for the surround* and dust cap (sand frame for surround and rough up the glue surface of the dust cap with sand paper as well). These can be purchased online (click the links above) or at most hardware stores. Surface preparation is key for adhesion -- we also suggest cleaning the surround glue surface with rubbing alcohol, ESPECIALLY, on any "new platform" drop-in kits (Mega-Roll Surround or New SPL Surround). This is *critical* for proper adhesion. After you have thoroughly cleaned the surround glue surface make sure to let it FULLY dry before gluing it down. MANY kits DO NOT include the solder tabs that attach to the terminals; these should be RE-USED. If you require new tabs you will need to request them and there will be a charge for them. * -- Note on Mega-Roll v.1/v.2 Surrounds... clear E-6000 is not a great choice for these specific surrounds (it works great on any other surround we produce). We suggest either Epoxy (the same Loc-Tite product will work) or BLACK E-6000. ---------- The frame price comes with gasket and terminals -- but if you need any plastic spacers those are extra and you must request them. ---------- MODEL -- RE-CONE Price -- FRAME Price E8 v.3 / v.4 / v.5 -- $36.00 -- NA * D2 / D4 Available * Specify v.3, v.4, or v.5 E-10 v.1 or v.2 -- $38 -- $10 E-12 v.1 or v.2 -- $40 -- $10 E-15 v.1 or v.2 -- $44 -- $10 * D2 / D4 Available * Specify v.1 or v.2 E-10 v.3 -- $40.00 -- $10 E-12 v.3 -- $43.00 -- $10 E-15 v.3 -- $46.00 -- $10 * D2 / D4 Available !!!FOR SA-8 KITS SEE THIS THREAD TO DETERMINE WHAT MODEL YOU HAVE. WE MUST HAVE THIS INFO TO MAKE THE CORRECT KIT!!! SA-8 v.1 or v1.5 -- $40.00 -- $10.00 * MUST SPECIFY v.1 or v1.5 when ordering !!! * D2 / D4 available Stock SA-8 v.2 (or v.3) -- $50.00 -- $15.00 * MUST SPECIFY v.2 or v.3 when ordering. * D2 / D4 available SD-2 8 -- $50 -- $15.00 * D2 or D4 * You CANNOT change the impedance of your SD-2 8" -- you must order the same coil as it originally had; the D2 and D4 gaps are different. SD-2 10 -- $60.00 -- $15.00 SD-2 12 -- $60.00 -- $18.00 * D2 / D4 available SD-3 10 -- $60.00 -- $20.00 SD-3 12 -- $60.00 -- $25.00 * D2 / D4 available * You CANNOT change the impedance of your SD-3 series -- you must order the same coil as it originally had; the D2 and D4 gaps are different. SA-10 -- $60.00 -- $15.00 SA-12 -- $60.00 -- $18.00 SA-15 -- $65.00 -- $21.00 SA-18 -- $80.00 -- $40.00 * D2 / D4 Available SA-Ultra 12" -- $70.00 -- $18.00 ** D2 / D4 Available NSv1 12 -- $135.00 -- $25.00 NSv1 15 -- $140.00 -- $30.00 NSv1 18 -- $150.00 -- $40.00 * 3 Layer Spider Pack Stock * New Style Spiders Available @ No Extra Cost (Black 4-Layer) * Yellow, New Style, 5-Layer Pack Available @ $10 Extra (15s and 18s Only) * Red, New Style, 6-Layer Pack Available @ $20 Extra (15s and 18s Only) * D1 / D2 Available NSv2 12 -- $140.00 -- $25.00 NSv2 15 -- $145.00 -- $30.00 NSv2 18 -- $155.00 -- $40.00 * 3 Layer Spider Pack Stock * New Style Spiders Available @ No Extra Cost (Black 4-Layer) * Yellow, New Style, 5-Layer Pack Available @ $10 Extra (15s and 18s Only) * Red, New Style, 6-Layer Pack Available @ $20 Extra (15s and 18s Only) * D1 / D2 Available Zv2 12 -- $100.00 -- $25.00 Zv2 15 -- $105.00 -- $30.00 Zv2 18 -- $115.00 -- $40.00 * Copper or Aluminum Coils Available * Z v.3 Spider Pack Is Standard * MUST USE Z v.3 Plastic SPACER * D1 / D2 Available Z v.3 12" -- $110.00 -- $25.00 Z v.3 15" -- $120.00 -- $30.00 Z v.3 18" -- $130.00 -- $40.00 * D1 / D2 Available * Add $10 for Z v.4 Spider Pack (15s and 18s Only) * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $20 (Red Pack) for 15s and 18s only * The 10/12 models use a different coil than the 15/18 models ---------- IMPORTANT NOTE : YOU MUST USE OUR NEWEST 12-spoke 15" FRAMES TO USE THE Z v.3, v.4, X OR NS v.3 SPIDER PACKS !!!! They are 213mm spiders and require a modified top landing. The other spiders for 10/12 and the 18 are compatible with any 12-spoke / 6-spoke that I am aware of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvzTjoQNVjw ** Uploaded a video on it. https://www.facebook.com/sundownusa/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1099391830116287 ** Facebook Album with more information as well.

The new Mega-Roll v.2 surround achieves ~5% variation over a span of ~60mm p-p stroke. That is a huge improvement over the already excellent compliance behavior of the Mega-Roll v.1 surrounds. We've rolled out the Mega-Roll v.2 on the X, Z, NS, and TEAM lines already :cool: The graph does not extend farther due to power limits of the Klippel machine @ Red Rock Acoustics (Capped at 1kw for the laser according to Patrick) -- but it's safe to say there is no trend showing the linearity will end any time soon after the range on the graph. Clearly, we have improved suspension induced distortion once again with the new Mega-Roll v.2 surrounds! It's something that worked in theory, on paper, to my ears, and now to Klippel ----- Compared to the Mega-Roll v.1 Klippel. You can see at rest the figure is ~0.175 & at 30mm rearward it's ~0.15; which is a change of 14.25% in that direction. At 30mm forward it's at ~0.1375 which is a 21% change. This is already a REALLY good result... see next graph for a more standard performance. ----- This is an SA-12 The at-rest figure is ~0.225 -- by 30mm rearward it is ~0.0625 which is a 72% variation from the at-rest figure (if looked at the other way -- the at-rest figure is 360% softer). At 30mm forward it is ~0.10 which is a 45% variation from the at-rest figure (if looked at the other way -- the at-rest figure is 225% softer). The SA-12 has a "traditional" suspension curve.

MODEL -- RE-CONE Price -- FRAME Price X-8 -- $65.00 -- $15.00 (D2 or D4 coil) ** Options from other X series do not apply ** We can add an additional spider layer for $10 extra X v.1 / v.2 Pricing is the Same -- We do need to know which one you have, though: * We will by DEFAULT use the Mega-Roll v.2 & Brown Spider if you do not specify (v.2 Spec). X-10 -- $130.00 -- $50.00 X-12 -- $135.00 -- $60.00 X-15 -- $140.00 -- $80.00 X-18 -- $155.00 -- $50.00 X-18 (New Frame) -- $175.00 -- $100.00 (**) * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter; the $50 frame price includes this adapter * D2 and D4 Coils Available (CCAW Round Wire) * Add $20.00 for NS v.3 coil option (D1 or D2) * Any X Series (v.1 or v.2) equipped with the Mega-Roll v.2 surround will use a softer spider of 3-layers that is light brownish in color. ** Any X-18 built with the new 18" frame ALSO gets an automatic upgrade to NS v.3 coil. For the Z v.4 we need to know Rev.1 or Rev.2 spec soft parts (Rev.1 has original Mega-Roll / Yellow Spider -- Rev.2 has Mega-Roll v.2 / Black Spider) -- Pricing is the same : * We will by DEFAULT use the Mega-Roll v.2 & Black Spider if you do not specify. Z v.4 10 -- $150.00 -- $50.00 Z v.4 12 -- $155.00 -- $60.00 Z v.4 15 -- $160.00 -- $80.00 Z v.4 18 -- $175.00 -- $50.00 Z v.4 18 (New Frame) -- $195.00 -- $100.00 * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter; the $50 frame price includes this adapter * D1 and D2 Coils Available * Softer X Spider Available - NO EXTRA CHARGE * Add $10.00 for NS v.3 RED Spider * Add $20.00 for NS v.2 Coil (v.3 does NOT work) * Any Z v.4 series (Rev.1 or Rev.2) equipped with the Mega-Roll v.2 surround will use a softer spider of 4-layers that is black in color. Originally the NS v.3 had the Mega-Roll v.1 & Red Spider -- that is no longer default. * All NS v.3 drop-ins will default to Mega-Roll v.2 & Red Spider if you do not specify -- we need you to SPECIFY if you want the old Mega-Roll v.1 surround. STOCK CONFIGURATION NS v.3 10 -- $165.00 -- $50.00 NS v.3 12 -- $170.00 -- $60.00 NS v.3 15 -- $175.00 -- $80.00 NS v.3 18 -- $190.00 -- $50.00 NS v.3 18 (New Frame) -- $210.00 -- $100.00 * 18" Use the Standard 6-Spoke Frame w/ a 257mm Spider Adapter; the $50 frame price includes this adapter * D1 or D2 Coils Available * Softer X or Z v.4 spiders available -- NO EXTRA CHARGE * The standard Red spider pack is used for any NS v.3 with Mega-Roll v.1 or v.2 surround. ALL NEW PLATFORM SUBS : ** SPL Cone/Surround Option = $0.00 Extra (must specify) -- Available all sizes 10/12/15/18 ** SPL Surround is MUCH stiffer – typically we suggest also using a softer spider. ** SPL Spider Option = $20.00 Extra for 3-layer (standard) ** Add $10.00 for each additional spider layer ** The spider OD will be reduced to the next smaller size (12s get 8 3/8", 15s get 9.25", and 18s get 9.25") when using 3 or more layers. ** The 10” models can only be made with up to 2-layers of the 8 3/8” SPL spider pack. ---------- We need ALL of the details of your TEAM Woofer to match it. There have been various iterations of soft parts on these. 7/20/15 : Going forward the STOCK setup will be a black "pack" spider & Mega-Roll v.2 surround. The majority built up to this point have used a 3-layer stacking spider & Mega-Roll v.1 surround. But, again, we can help identify what you have with photos if you are matching. TEAM 12" -- $180.00 --$60.00 TEAM 15" -- $190.00 -- $80.00 TEAM 18" -- $220.00 -- $100.00 ** Dual 1.4 , 0.7 , and 0.5 DCR Coils Available ---------- * -- Both the X and Z v.4 kits / Frames can be retrofit into the NS v.1, NS v.2, and Z v.3 motors; these motors cannot handle the FULL capacity of the new soft parts so a hard bottom is possible. ** -- The Z v.2 motor bolt pattern is compatible with the new platforms as well but you must be aware of hard bottom possibility at 41mm one-way.

To order a drop-in re-cone assembly e-mail [email protected]. To reduce back-and-forth e-mails ALWAYS include the following : 1) What you are ordering -- Model, Coil Configuration, Etc. 2) If you already have a basket or not; please check below for any special notes. 3) If you need ANY custom options please specify up front. 4) !!! YOUR ADDRESS AND NAME !!! 5) A picture of what you have goes a long way to be SURE we are talking about the same thing. 6) When you send payment include ALL details of your drop-in on the notes(model, size, coil configuration, options, etc) IT WILL TAKE, ON AVERAGE, 3-4 weeks for a built item like a drop-in to be completed. It may take longer depending on how busy our build department is and/or if all of the parts are currently in stock -- please keep this in mind. Updates will NOT be sent along the way -- an update will occur when the product is shipped. You can e-mail us to check on the status; [email protected]; an exact completion time is not available but we can confirm if it is done, in process, or is in the shipping area. ---------- There are a few guy out there that can build our drop-ins (OEM style or customized) as they are authorized to buy our parts if you are in a hurry and our lead time is too long -- you must order through them and do all contact / follow-up with them. Doing business with any of the following builders is completely separate from doing business direct with us and their pricing may vary from ours; but I can say we have done business with all of these guys for many years now and we are comfortable with their work. They all have good feedback on the forums as well : David Moore ("TeamPSI" on CACO) -- Mississippi -- <Info @ FixMySpeaker.com> Corey Dean ("SPLaudio" on Forums) -- New York -- <splaudio78 @ hotmail.com> David Leib ("FLAstrongman" on CACO) -- Florida -- <flastrongman @ gmail.com> ---------- WE CANNOT WARRANTY DIY RE-CONE ASSEMBLY ISSUES. If you are not 100% sure about re-coning the driver yourself SEND IT IN to us. We can ONLY stand behind labor that we perform. Manufacturing defects in the kit itself are of course our responsibility but installation is 100% the customer responsibility. MAKE SURE to check your re-cone BEFORE installing it for complete accuracy. This includes using a DMM to make sure you received the correct voice coil configuration. As this is a DIY process everyone performing a drop-in should have access to a multi-meter. If there is a mistake on the kit we need to know BEFORE you glue it all in place!!! Once the kit is glued into place we will not be be liable for any errors in it's construction. CHECK IT OVER FIRST. If it is not correct we will issue a call tag for it and build you the correct kit for you ASAP. Also... any CHANGES to a drop-in order must be done in the form of a new order so that ALL of your details are IN WRITING on the payment slip from Paypal. There will be absolutely NO changes to drop-in orders on the phone! All changes & drop-in orders must be in writing. ---------- This thread over-rides any prior quotes or costs. These prices are the same for everyone; Team, dealer, customer, etc. All costs + SH charges. ---------- KITS DO NOT include shims or glue. White paper trimmed / stacked to spec works perfectly for shimming -- use enough where it is snug but not so tight you can barely get the coil in the gap. For glue we suggest Loc-Tite 5-minute epoxy with mixing tubes to glue the spider to the frame (MAKE SURE to sand it first) and we suggest Amazing Goop or E6000 for the surround and dust cap (sand frame for surround and rough up the glue surface of the dust cap with sand paper as well). These can be purchased from Lowes or Home Depot very commonly and some Wal-Mart and Craft Stores. Surface preparation is key for adhesion -- we also suggest cleaning the surround glue surface with rubbing alcohol, ESPECIALLY, on any "new platform" drop-in kits (Mega-Roll Surround or New SPL Surround). This is *critical* for proper adhesion. After you have thoroughly cleaned the surround glue surface make sure to let it FULLY dry before gluing it down. Most kits DO NOT include the solder tabs that attach to the terminals; these should be RE-USED. If you require new tabs you will need to order a complete terminal to get them. ---------- The frame price comes with gasket and terminals -- but if you need any plastic spacers those are extra and you must request them. ---------- MODEL -- RE-CONE Price -- FRAME Price E8 v.1 and v.2 Kits are DISCONTINUED (9-23-14) E8 v.3 / v.4 -- $35.00 -- $8 (frame is for v.4 only -- v.3 frames not available) * D2 / D4 Available * Specify v.3 or v.4 E-10 v.1 or v.2 -- $40 -- $10 E-12 v.1 or v.2 -- $40 -- $10 E-15 v.1 or v.2 -- $50 -- $10 * D2 / D4 Available * Specify v.1 or v.2 !!!FOR SA-8 KITS SEE THIS THREAD TO DETERMINE WHAT MODEL YOU HAVE. WE MUST HAVE THIS INFO TO MAKE THE CORRECT KIT!!! SA-8 v.1 or v1.5 -- $40.00 -- $10.00 * MUST SPECIFY v.1 or v1.5 when ordering !!! * D2 / D4 available Stock * CCAW 4-layer D2 or D4 SPL Coils Available No Extra Charge (these are lighter but can still be used daily as the gap is not tighter than stock) SA-8 v.2 (or v.3) -- $60.00 -- $15.00 * MUST SPECIFY v.2 or v.3 when ordering. * D2 / D4 available * CCAW 4-layer D2 or D4 SPL Coils Available No Extra Charge (these are lighter but can still be used daily as the gap is not tighter than stock) * Extra Spiders Available for $5.00 Extra Each for a MAX of SIX (stock is two); DO NOT order extra spiders for anything but SPL SD-2 8 -- $45.00 -- $15.00 * D2 or D4 * You CANNOT change the impedance of your SD-2 8" -- you must order the same coil as it originally had; the D2 and D4 gaps are different. SD-2 10 -- $40.00 -- $15.00 SD-2 12 -- $45.00 -- $18.00 * D2 / D4 available SD-3 10 -- $50.00 -- $20.00 SD-3 12 -- $60.00 -- $25.00 * D2 / D4 available * You CANNOT change the impedance of your SD-3 series -- you must order the same coil as it originally had; the D2 and D4 gaps are different. SA-10 -- $50.00 -- $15.00 SA-12 -- $50.00 -- $18.00 SA-15 -- $60.00 -- $21.00 SA-18 -- $90.00 -- $40.00 * SA-10/12/15 add $20.00 for SPL Coils (D1,D2,D4) -- they are 8-layer flat aluminum * D2 / D4 available in stock copper NSv1 12 -- $110.00 -- $25.00 NSv1 15 -- $120.00 -- $30.00 NSv1 18 -- $130.00 -- $40.00 * 3 Layer Spider Pack Stock * Add $10.00 for double leads * Z v.3/X Spider Available No Extra Charge (Black Pack) * Z v.4 Spider Pack Add $10 (Yellow Pack) for 15s and 18s only * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $20 (Red Pack) for 15s and 18s only * D1 / D2 Available NSv2 12 -- $140.00 -- $25.00 NSv2 15 -- $150.00 -- $30.00 NSv2 18 -- $160.00 -- $40.00 * 3 Layer Spider Pack Stock * Add $10.00 for double leads * Z v.3/X Spider Available No Extra Charge (Black Pack) * Z v.4 Spider Pack Add $10 (Yellow Pack) for 15s and 18s only * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $20 (Red Pack) for 15s and 18s only * D1 / D2 Available Zv2 12 -- $110.00 -- $25.00 Zv2 15 -- $120.00 -- $30.00 Zv2 18 -- $130.00 -- $40.00 * Copper or Aluminum Coils Available * Z v.3 Spider Pack Now Standard (5/1/12) * MUST USE Z v.3 SPACER * D1 / D2 Available Z v.3 10" -- $125.00 -- $20.00 Z v.3 12" -- $130.00 -- $25.00 Z v.3 15" -- $135.00 -- $30.00 Z v.3 18" -- $150.00 -- $40.00 * D1 / D2 Available * Add $10 for Z v.4 Spider Pack (15s and 18s Only) * NS v.3 Spider Pack Add $20 (Red Pack) for 15s and 18s only * The 10/12 models use a different coil than the 15/18 models !!!! IMPORTANT NOTE : YOU MUST USE OUR NEWEST 12-spoke 15" FRAMES TO USE THE Z v.3, v.4, X OR NS v.3 SPIDER PACKS !!!! They are 8 3/8" spiders and require a modified top landing. The other spiders for 10/12 and the 18 are compatible with any 12-spoke / 6-spoke that I am aware of. Also -- the NS cone will NOT be offered on ANY drivers with a v.3 style spider pack in 15s or 18s. The v.3 spiders (Z v.3 and NS v.3) can exceed the mechanical limits of the NS style cones in these sizes.

First video of these new parts in action -- enjoy !

They are $50 more than the v.1

We should be unloading the container with all of the parts to build the X v.2 around the end of this week.

Sundown SD-3 Line : In the Works ----- Thanks to the success of the SD-2 8" model I started developing the SD-3 line; this will replace all SD-2 models in 8/10/12" sizes (there is no 15 in this series). The SD-3 motor and coil design will become under-hung like the 8" model on the bigger 10 and 12" models -- I am also further optimizing the parameters of all models for sealed enclosures... even the 8" model will be tweaked a bit more. They have the same topology as the 8" -- a 1" top plate and 1/2" long coil -- but the 10/12 design uses a 2.5" diameter coil compared to the 2" on the eight. As far as release date... by the time prototype is done and production is done probably October or so. ----- Here she is -- the first full 10" prototype : I am using an inverted surround to save front mount depth. ----- My least favorite part of verifying prototypes... cutting them down to check measurements. Also verified that the spider was, in fact, not the correct one. It was too stiff ; in the third pic you can see the spider is two layers but it should be a single layer. Based on my testing and dissection I am doing another round of prototypes. Actually two versions... one set with only some minor gap modifications (with correct single layer spider), and one set also with a wider magnet in case the spider change itself doesn't get me where I want to be. So hopefully I will have four more prototypes soon.

We have started shipping the 10s.

I got pricing worked out -- the SD-3 12" will be $225 -- the 10" is $199 -- these are MAP from any authorized dealer.

SD-3 12" Prototypes arrived so I did a video

The 12" prototypes are completed @ the factory and on their way to me... since I nailed things such as surround thickness & compliance down on the 10s these were pretty simple. We did have to use a motor 30mm wider to drive the additional mass; so keep that in mind when I formulate pricing : * The machined arms are just on the prototype. I am not going to spend the extra to do that on production since there is no performance gain. * Factory spec on the D4 * Factory spec on the D2

Hey guys, This is a project I've been working on for a while... it's origins date back to 2009 with my unfinished 4" coil Neo design (some may remember it) : http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/sundown-audio/19945-proto-neo-4-motor.html I put the whole thing on hold to concentrate more on things that would really grow the company & our dealer base. That being said... fast forward 5 years now and I have the opportunity and ability to work on this again. As far back as 2009 I knew I wanted to go after my Neo SPL design with a 4" coil -- so I did that again. This time I went for a good bit more Neo and a different / unique design : So this is my first prototype / first fully completed Neo prototype. This may not be the 100% final version but I think it's close. I should have it in my hands early on in January for testing. Few quick details that I am releasing now... 1) 4" voice coil 2) 16 slugs of N42H Neo (N48H was a large cost increase with almost no increase in flux) 3) Will be sold in 12s, 15s, and 18s 4) Pricing is TBA as I go over all the final costs of the motor... certainly not cheap; the motor itself costs about as much as 7 pcs Z v.4 motors based on my early estimates. 5) It is mated to a 10" frame in the photo for size reference; but I don't currently have plans to make them as 10s 6) Motor weight is ~70 lbs... overall external size is almost identical to a Z v.3 motor. That is about it for now... except for a quick photo of my Neo chunks : These look a little rough as they were cut into shape; when we end up doing production we'll tool the exact size/shape we end up with so they'll look perfect.

Okay so I've done the math -- so far on a 15" model as that is what we'll be building first for our Terra. MAP from an authorized dealer will be ~$2199 for a "standard" unit (any of our compatible "standard" parts can be used at this price) -- we are still pricing out composite cones, though.

We got the first prototype in here to test and I LOVE IT !!! Cannot wait to get rolling with this project They should cost $130 MAP from an authorized dealer. * With Blackberry Z-10

Added specs for the D2 to the first post.

So we've had these in stock for a while in Dual-4 configuration; although, I haven't said a ton about them yet since we are awaiting the Dual-2 shipment. Those will be available in about 30 more days. ---------- Specs for the D4 : Specs for the D2 :

I came in yesterday and built this bad boy... a customer had ONE unit on order for a bit and I got a pair of the Aluminum sleeves as samples so I am building this one and one other one this week (both with fat 8-layer coils and are single sub orders). These also don't call for any Gap ID sleeves as they use the fat coil -- so I have enough parts to make them :thumbsup: ----- * Collecting the parts up. * You can see the black coated aluminum pole sleeve in place on the pole but not Gap ID sleeve -- so the overall gap is still pretty massive. The "fat" coil fills it up nicely, though. * Starting the rear glue joint * Rear glue joint completed * Prototype "XL" lead wire option. The XL spiders for the NS v.3 are EXTRA red in color. The stock spiders are a very faint reddish with smaller triple lead wires. These leads are prototypes for now -- we'll offer them later as an option for anyone. * It was interesting to get these all in the terminal. * Finished product * Finished product ----- So I hope to get it tested and dust cap on today :thumbsup:

Also made a video for it ---------- The motor & coil are the same as what we use in the E-10/12/15 v.2 models -- so quite beefy. Honestly... this is a better and/or at least comparable driver to the SA-8 v1 & 1.5 in my mind. Several years of development in 8s has allowed us to offer that level of performance at only $99

Revised ETA is late February at this time; they did not make it on my containers that just shipped -- so they will ship in about 4-6 weeks on the next set.